From: Virgilio Quilario >> That looks nice, but how do I get to the point where I can understand >> how to use it? >> >> I have also looked at the Smarty site <http://www.smarty.net/>, but >> their documents assume significant experience in building and using >> templates. >> >> Where can I find guidance or tutorials on how to do all of this, >> starting with only a rudimentary knowledge of HTML and PHP. It would be >> best if they also focused on procedural rather than object oriented >> code. > > > When I started learning smarty, I spent most of my time doing research > and that's really tiresome and it is so hard to find examples. > Experimented a lot and listed those what's possible, then applied them > to my projects. > > Now to make them handy I posted them to my site so i can have a look > whenever and wherever. > http://www.jampmark.com/php-programming/16-very-useful-smarty-scripting- tips-and-techniques-to-make-templates-smarter.html > > As a first step, maybe you should see the crash course at smarty > http://www.smarty.net/crashcourse.php Hi Virgil, After your last post here, I looked at your site, then the Smarty site. That was what triggered this question. Templates are a black art to me. I don't even know where to begin to understand them. Every reference I have looked at so far assumes that I already understand the MVC pattern, which is also one of the dark arts. Let me put it simply. I can't grok OO. I tried to do OOP for several years, but it simply does not make any sense to me. As a direct result, I don't understand the concept nor application of patterns. So how do I figure out how to use templates without having to absorb those first? Can I learn enough this way to determine if a site can be converted from the current state (PHP and XHTML spaghetti) into templates and begin that transformation? Thank you, Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php