On 10/9/07, Tony Marston <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > ""Nathan Nobbe"" <quickshiftin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message > news:7dd2dc0b0710091529o78441a3fib0780f8c87ef00be@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > On 10/9/07, Tony Marston <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> There's your problem, then. You are wasting your time trying to > implement > >> fancy design patterns just because design patterns are supposed to be > >> "cool". Loader class, Controller Base class, Front Controller - I have > >> none > >> of that crap in my code, so I don't encounter the problems you have. > >> > > > > your site talks about the use of mvc in radicore so we can assume youre > > using at least one design pattern; > > When I say that I do not use design patterns I mean that I do not try to > implemet as many design patterns as possible, i never suggested any one do that nor did i suggest that i do that. and I certainly do not litter > my conversations with this pattern or that pattern. then you failed to grasp one of the most important concepts about design patterns. they provide a common vocabulary to allow designers to talk about implementing systems at a high level without having to waste time talking about specific details. In the whole of my > career there have only ever been two patterns that I have read about and > subsequently sought to implement, and thoose are the Three Tier > Architecture > and the Singleton. The fact that my framework contains an example of MVC > is > pure coincidence. It just happened that way. It was only after someone > else > looked at my code and said "You've implemented the MVC pattern" that I > read > about it and discovered that it was a perfect match. I certainly did not > read about MVC and then try to implement it. that is very common. many if not most people implement patterns all the time and dont realize it. one benefit of patterns is people can communicate at the pattern level. recognition is powerful as well; if you happen to see a pattern when you are working out a design; the pieces just fall into place; or at least you have a road map. > and if radicore has a single point of entry you > > are using a front controller. > > I do not have a single point entry. Each page has its own controller, so I > have hundreds of page controllers. A single front controller is something > that is used in compiled languages. its also used heavily in php; take a look at code igniter for a first example. > might want to knock the dust off the old design pattern books just to jog > > your memory:) > > I've put my books of design patterns on the top shelf where they shall > remain untouched as they contain nothing of use to me. They may give hints > to novices, but I am no longer a novice. I no longer need training wheels > on > my bicycle, so why do I need books on design patterns? ill be honest; i like what youve done w/ xsl, you even taught me some things; but when it comes to oop; well i think you should get the books back down from the top shelf. -nathan
