Yes, I know how to Google, and I've been Googling... But I would appreciate advice about good beginner tutorials using classes in PHP4 based on your actual experiences. I.e., have some of you found tutorials that really unlocked the doors for you? Ideally, such tutorials would have somewhat realistic examples. (I already know how to output "Hello, World" using a class, and I tend to find examples like those unhelpful. Maybe it's just me.) My main challenge is modularizing yer basic BREAD/CRUD operations with MySQL databases. I've made some strides in creating increasingly modular functions to present browse lists, edit forms and add forms; to perform field-level and form-level validations; and to perform inserts, updates and deletes. My approach is to utilize multidimensional arrays which define the column names, column labels (for forms), form control types (input, select, checkbox, etc.) and other attributes of the form controls. I've got a "library" of validation routines with error messages that appear on the form under the culprit form control. But I think taking the next step to use classes is going to make my life much easier. TIA for any guidance you might be able to offer. Jeff -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php