{snip="all"} Actually, PHP is a phenomenal, scalable, and brilliantly-extensible <?=strtolower("BUSINESS");?> language. Yahoo!, IBM, Google, and (of course) Zend are just a few of the multi-million and billion dollar players. The company for whom I'm building web and desktop-level, as well, a multi-million dollar corporation, and the applications are not strictly web-based. In fact, I've developed full-scale client-server systems, complete with graphical front-ends (using GTK+, REALBasic, or other simple front-end, GUI faceplates). Of the last three nine-figure-valued (not including beyond the decimal point! ;-P) companies I've consulted or done programming for, all three utilized PHP. One as a core component of their business model, and two to compliment their existing technology. So just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean "that it's not ever going to be a major player in Real World business solutions." Real World[TM] business solutions are discovered by recognizing a problem or identifying a need, defining that problem or need, and developing a solution. No language ever created --- or that ever WILL be created --- will ever be a "business solution;" it will be the masters of those languages that will mold that solution. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php