On Monday 18 June 2007 04:00, Robert Cummings wrote: > Typo... *yawn*. Please lookup the real meaning of typo . > You knew what was intended. Of course. I'm not a computer and can make judgements based on context and experience. I only brought it up because you seem to delight in grammatical correctness (whatever that is). > Don't confuse pursuit of happiness and personal satisfaction as hubris. As the saying goes, "there's a fine line between personal satisfaction and egotism". > They are quite different and you can't glean hubris simply from reading > that someone wants to write their own framework. You are jumping to > conclusions. Of course I'm jumping to conclusions - what I'm hoping is that they are informed ones. One cannot include every bit of background information into a mailing list question so the respondents will have to make assumptions. > I have no problems with the philosophy of free software, but I do have > issues when someone suggests that we should all follow, like sheep to > the slaughter, a particular worldview. Being different "just because", is not very constructive nor cool - it may seem so when you're a teenybopper but I'm sure you've outgrown that stage by now. And just because more than 1 person share the same viewpoint or common cause does not automagically change them into sheep. Before you go jumping into conclusions - I'm not against people being different if their "justification" for being different is anything other than "just because". > What you "_would_ like" and what > you "will get" is entirely up to individual in question. That's why I didn't use "I insist". > You presume the use of SourceForge to host such a project. Well I suppose I could have wrote ""Yet Another Soon To Be Neglected Sourceforge/Freshmeat/Savannah/BerliOS/etc Project", but I was relying on the readers' powers of inference to fill in the blanks. > Popularity hardly constitutes a measurement of quality. Again you're jumping to conclusions I never mentioned popularity. However when a project has not seen any updates for years and is still marked as "in the planning stages" then I _would_ jump to conclusions and assume it has been neglected/abandoned/forgotten/etc. > ...they are in no way obligated to do so. If their ideas are bright > enough then chances are they will attract their own following. Just because I may or may not be ranting against something, I'm not foolish to think that my rantings will obligate anyone to do anything. > Maybe so, but much science and many breakthroughs are still done by the > lone inventory/researcher. Particularly in the field of astronomy where amateurs are still able to contribute greatly. However gone are the days when I could conduct high energy particle physics experiments in my own basement and launch interplanetary space probes from my own backyard. > You cannot discount the merit of one > person's contribution because you think they should have another work > style/ethic. > > > Now going back to the OP: > > > > "...can some body help me, how to start php framwork for large > > site?", in the absence of any other cues, this question gives me the > > impression that the questioner is completely clueless (sorry if it > > offends you OP), to which the only sensible response is "to use a > > variety of existing frameworks until you no longer need to ask the > > question". > > Actually from the OP's statement I see that he wants clues on how to > start a FRAMEWORK, not clues on how to start a PROJECT. If he wanted > you to infer another intent he probably would have used another set of > words. And if he did mean PROJECT instead of FRAMEWORK then he should > have stated so since given no other context we can only know what he > has written... all else is conjecture. It's possible I missed something > though, perhaps invisible font text *uhuh uhuh*, and there really is > the word "project" in the OP's post. I'd appreciate you pointing it out > to me. Please point out to me where in the above paragraph (ie starting from the line "Now going back to the OP:") do I mention PROJECT. What kind of nit are you trying to pick? And in other news: > 1. gain experience from doing [your own framework] I would wager that a clueless newbie would learn faster and more about frameworks by _using_ and _studying_ other mature frameworks. Because, to re-iterate and paraphrase what I said earlier, the very fact that the OP had to ask "how to start my own framework" means that the OP really hadn't thought things through and did not do any feasibility studies etc. In any case a mailing list is not the best place to answer such an open ended question, especially if the best contributions that *you* can come up with is "yes, it's fun to make your own framework" and > Yep, fly like a chicken. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
