hello james, 1) i have been working with php5 for almost a year now, and the biggest project i have yet worked on (a complex intranet banking application) is running perfectly on it; no problems. on the contrary, since the zend engine has been rewritten to properly handle objects (as references not copies), a huge source of confusion/errors/odd behaviour has been removed. we have not had one "stability" or "scaling" problem with php5. (what i *would* worry about is having to develop oo-software in php4.) 2) "Worst thing you can do is design a website in entirely flash" -> depends on the kind of site. you certainly wouldn't do a news site 100% flash, but for certain *application* is can make perfect sense. what we will do is build a product configuratorin flash, not the whole site. regards, phillip --- running perfectly clean James Benson schrieb: > PHP5 has yet to see the maturity and stability PHP4 offers which is why > most applications use it. > > Worst thing you can do is design a website in entirely flash :) > > > > > > > Phillip Oertel wrote: > >> hi, >> >> i want to create a "shop server" application. the shop client interface >> will be in flash (communication with php over xml, soap or amfphp), the >> administration interface will be html. most likely it will probably be a >> long-running application that will be extended in several steps, so we >> need a solid foundation. we also need to get started quickly (who >> doesn't), otherwise i would consider starting from scratch. >> >> i have already looked around quite a lot for a nicely adaptable >> shop/ecommerce implementation, but haven't been very successful so far. >> everything i found was conceived in php4 times, where OO wasn't as >> wide-spread in the php community as it is today. some of the packages >> are poorly documented (both in-code and separate documentation), have an >> inconsistent coding style, are dead, are copies of oscommerce with a >> worse interface, ... >> >> feature-wise the best i found was xtcommerce (oscommerce fork) >> admin interface wise: zencart (oscommerce fork) >> code-wise: randshop >> non of them use php5's features, though, none are written >> object-oriented. >> >> i have no info on the performance of these shops, although that >> shouldn't be a prob as long as it's not desastrous (to some extend, you >> can always scale hardware-wise). >> >> so i am looking for a cleanly layered application where i could swap out >> the presentation layer. and all important shop data (products, product >> categories, cart, etc.) should be represented as objects, so i could >> extend them to implement required customizations. >> it would be a big plus if the admin interface was well thought-out. >> >> we need quite some features like multiple languages, multiple >> categories, discounts on certain products, payment provider integration, >> customer newsletters, possibly administration of several slightly >> different shops in one installation, etc. >> >> is there such an application or am i stuck with oscommerce and its forks? >> i don't need it to be feature complete, as long as there is a way to >> adapt the code without hacking the whole thing (and loosing the >> possibility of upgrading). >> >> as long as the code was open, i would be happy to pay a certain amount >> for the application. >> >> anyone? >> >> phil -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php