rich, my point was/is that with the right team, and the right concept, starting, and building a business is doable. and no, you're not going to create a google/yahoo/dell... but you might create something that does $1-3 million/year... and without knowing you, i'm willing to bet that you havn't created anything approaching this size before.. you sound like an incredibly negative person, not just suspicious, but actually negative. why? the question/thesis that i posed is that you can get a few guys together, with the right concept agreed upon by the team, and you can build it. you seem to reject this approach for some reason... my repsonse to you.. if you're simply sitting on the sideline, throwing comments, get in the game, show you can add value, or do it better. the fact is, alot of people, the vast majority talk about doing something (regardless what the topic is) fewer actually get out and do it. this applies to people who want to get there degree, lose weight, build a biz... in the '80s, nike came out with a commercial that summed it up pretty well...'just do it'!! so if you have an idea/concept, let's talk about it, if not, enjoy your life anyway... peace.. ps. as far as this being a reccuring theme, yeah. it should be if you have people who might come here, who might have the skills, who might be interested in getting together, then i think it's quite appropriate. once every month or two ispretty much background noise for this list!! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Davey [mailto:rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:58 AM To: php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re[2]: looking for a pure startup opportunity.. Hello Bruce, Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 1:49:09 AM, you wrote: b> they recently got ~$13million in funding... they started in b> college, with not much more than a realization that they could b> build this... Good for them, hope they don't blow it all on sports cars. b> but the fact that you think you can't means there's less b> competition from those who do it! And the fact that this seems to be a reoccurring thread on this mailing list which unless I'm very mistaken, you've started several times before, just goes to show that you've so far managed to get nothing off the ground and/or had very few decent responses - after-all, if it only takes 3-4 guys surely you'd be well on your way to your first $13 million by now. Best regards, Richard Davey -- http://www.launchcode.co.uk - PHP Development Services "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." - Isaac Asimov -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php