In general, anyone could then say oh ".Net" framework, "Java" framework, "CPAN", or then any other full blown frameworks bloated! I believe these kind of posts would not effect noone but it might create a bad perception for the net/platform voyagers! Every framework, be it based on a language or an environment has a flexibility level that could satisfy some segment of programmers, and thus keeping some segments unhappy. It's a matter of prefrence and the kind of functionalities and repositories that a programmer or a team might need. However, a general adjective can not be given just like that without any specification of the matter and why it is said it is in our case "Bloated". In all the cases if someone thinks a framework is bloated. Should just keep it bloated for him/herself. Programmers, and specially PHP programmers who are the majority of web-programming in IT labor market. So being it bloated for someone or perceived to be bloated has no meaning for some other programmers, unless having the same needs and environment. It's simply a matter of prefrence. Period. M.Saleh.E.G +97150-4779817