Re: double sided images - Duratrans?

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I have some printer names in the UK too. Printing wraps is a bit cheaper in the UK. Retail is about �50 per sq meter incl-VAT and if you don�t need it trimmed and cut to a pattern on their cutter, it may be less to simply print and take the roll off their hands. I hope you have a VAT number, as I dislike paying 17% to an invisible partner whose hands are already in my pockets. I don�t live there and even I have a VAT number. Cash works too, but I do not advocate breaking the law. 

I think I would go with a firm which prints taxi wraps on a Roland or HP printer. Most vinyl is 54� wide.

Try these folks for info and/or printing : 

Remember that one of the tips for a successful wrap is to do a lot of careful cleaning and squeegeeing. The vinyl is glued and isn�t just sitting there. You need a clean surface, so you will need to wash your greenhouse too (Power-washing is suggested.). There are various cleaners which can take the worst of the dirt off and one is rubbing alcohol.

Squeegeeing is done with a 10cm hard plastic squeegee. You will also need at least one extra set of hands although you can put the vinyl down and then lift to reposition it. Vinyl also stretches and can be heated with a hair dryer or very carefully with a butane torch, although this may not work well on glass. Go to Youtube and watch a couple of videos about wrapping before you begin. When you are up to your ass in alligators, you will be glad you did.

To save money, if somebody mentions �Bespoke� printing, run screaming from the room. And do not use matte surface vinyl, as matte is rougher and holds dirt. It doesn�t sound important until you find your vinyl needing to be washed every time you turn around. If you know anybody who made the fatal error of wrapping their Lambo in velvet, stop by and hold their hand in commiseration. Velvet needs washing almost every day and costs $15/sq ft before printing. Wrapping a Lambo (for example) is about 200 sq ft.so it�s $3000 for the material plus a boatload for the install. The problem area is something called a �compound curve� and they are generated by computers for a good wind tunnel test.


Jan

On Apr 28, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Jonathan Turner wrote:

That's perfect actually...the self adhesive vinyl sounds like just what I'm after...and actually price wise that doesn't sound too bad. I'm based in the UK though so will investigate printers here - I'm guess prices won't be much different. 

Thanks for all your suggestions and tips. 

Jonathan turner
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On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:10, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Another alternative would be to print on vinyl with solvent inks. There is the vinyl used for printing windows on cars and it is perfed and moderately clear. It comes with adhesive pre-applied as it is made for car windows and they need to be both waterproof and weather durable. It costs (in the US) about $3/sq ft to print and if you want to go this route I can give you a name off-list. I assume you are not biased either towards to either Avery or 3M, although purely from a price perspective Avery is a bit cheaper. The printing would last about 7 years in the sun with gradual fading. 


On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Jonathan Turner wrote:

Hi, 

So to explain it with a little more context, the idea is to display images taken in an allotment, as a 'pop up' exhibition (on the allotment where the pictures were made...). That means the exhibition needs to be weather proof, so after having thought about ways to do this (printing as vinyl banners etc) I had this idea of displaying them in a greenhouse. I liked the idea as it seemed appropriate to the subject matter. 

So, I wondered if I could print the images onto some kind of translucent surface which could be stuck onto the windows of the greenhouse. Initially I thought of just printing inkjet onto acetate, then I thought about duratrans. I also wondered if it would be possible to print onto some kind of clear vinyl that would be self adhesive so that I could easily stick them to the window panes of the greenhouse. Size of the panes could range between 8 inches to 23 inch square, depending on the kind of greenhouse.

I imagined the greenhouse to work as a giant lightbox (at least from inside, not sure whether it would work from both sides). Sounds like a slightly crazy idea and not completely sure it would work, but interested to know if anyone has prior experience. 

Thanks, 
Jonathan

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On 28 Apr 2014, at 04:03, YGelmanPhoto <ygelmanphoto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I should have asked: on what size and thickness are you printing?


On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Duratrans and similar is translucent and is the material to use. Despite Yoram�s comment, do not use glass. Just try putting a piece of 4x8� quarter inch thick glass up as a display. The first problem is its weight, not that it is breakable. 

Furthermore, try to imagine what could happen if Abu Nidal decided to hijack your image. It won�t fly any better on glass than it would as a ferry. I�m sure engineers have other ideas, but a sheet of tempered glass would shatter into a million itty-bitty pieces while still on the runway. If you lab (if you have one) has no ideas, get in touch with duggal.com in NYC.



On Apr 27, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Randy Little wrote:

Duratrans is for direct back lighting or ambient lighting.  There are lots of options though.  You lab will have samples

On Apr 27, 2014 3:03 PM, "YGelmanPhoto" <ygelmanphoto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't know if it's relevant in your case, but when an image is printed on glass it behaves differently, depending on the position of the light source.  It behaves as you expect, as a positive image when using reflected light, but behaves as a negative when using transmitted light.  (FWIW, I could not believe this, in my gut, until I tried it myself.)  So if you want to look at it using transmitted light, you have to print the negative on the glass.  

You'll have to be pretty clever and use some sophisticated setup if you want to have the image look the same from both sides.

Also, I recommend glass rather than some flexible material. 

Again, just my take,
  -yoram

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Jonathan Turner <pictures@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,

quick question to those who may know; I want to print some images to be displayed on glass, so they are visible from both sides of the glass (the images will be exhibited in a greenhouse). What material should I be looking to print it on? Would it be acetate, or Duratrans? And does such a material come as self adhesive? I'm thinking of the kind of stuff you sometime see window graphics displayed on...

Any advice appreciated.

cheers,
Jonathan.


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