Re: double sided images - Duratrans?

[Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Another alternative would be to print on vinyl with solvent inks. There is the vinyl used for printing windows on cars and it is perfed and moderately clear. It comes with adhesive pre-applied as it is made for car windows and they need to be both waterproof and weather durable. It costs (in the US) about $3/sq ft to print and if you want to go this route I can give you a name off-list. I assume you are not biased either towards to either Avery or 3M, although purely from a price perspective Avery is a bit cheaper. The printing would last about 7 years in the sun with gradual fading. 

On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Jonathan Turner wrote:

Hi, 

So to explain it with a little more context, the idea is to display images taken in an allotment, as a 'pop up' exhibition (on the allotment where the pictures were made...). That means the exhibition needs to be weather proof, so after having thought about ways to do this (printing as vinyl banners etc) I had this idea of displaying them in a greenhouse. I liked the idea as it seemed appropriate to the subject matter. 

So, I wondered if I could print the images onto some kind of translucent surface which could be stuck onto the windows of the greenhouse. Initially I thought of just printing inkjet onto acetate, then I thought about duratrans. I also wondered if it would be possible to print onto some kind of clear vinyl that would be self adhesive so that I could easily stick them to the window panes of the greenhouse. Size of the panes could range between 8 inches to 23 inch square, depending on the kind of greenhouse.

I imagined the greenhouse to work as a giant lightbox (at least from inside, not sure whether it would work from both sides). Sounds like a slightly crazy idea and not completely sure it would work, but interested to know if anyone has prior experience. 

Thanks, 

Jonathan

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On 28 Apr 2014, at 04:03, YGelmanPhoto <ygelmanphoto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I should have asked: on what size and thickness are you printing?

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Duratrans and similar is translucent and is the material to use. Despite Yoram�s comment, do not use glass. Just try putting a piece of 4x8� quarter inch thick glass up as a display. The first problem is its weight, not that it is breakable. 

Furthermore, try to imagine what could happen if Abu Nidal decided to hijack your image. It won�t fly any better on glass than it would as a ferry. I�m sure engineers have other ideas, but a sheet of tempered glass would shatter into a million itty-bitty pieces while still on the runway. If you lab (if you have one) has no ideas, get in touch with duggal.com in NYC.

On Apr 27, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Randy Little wrote:

Duratrans is for direct back lighting or ambient lighting.  There are lots of options though.  You lab will have samples

On Apr 27, 2014 3:03 PM, "YGelmanPhoto" <ygelmanphoto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I don't know if it's relevant in your case, but when an image is printed on glass it behaves differently, depending on the position of the light source.  It behaves as you expect, as a positive image when using reflected light, but behaves as a negative when using transmitted light.  (FWIW, I could not believe this, in my gut, until I tried it myself.)  So if you want to look at it using transmitted light, you have to print the negative on the glass.  

You'll have to be pretty clever and use some sophisticated setup if you want to have the image look the same from both sides.

Also, I recommend glass rather than some flexible material. 

Again, just my take,

  -yoram

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Jonathan Turner <pictures@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

quick question to those who may know; I want to print some images to be displayed on glass, so they are visible from both sides of the glass (the images will be exhibited in a greenhouse). What material should I be looking to print it on? Would it be acetate, or Duratrans? And does such a material come as self adhesive? I'm thinking of the kind of stuff you sometime see window graphics displayed on...

Any advice appreciated.

cheers,
Jonathan.

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