Re: brown skins

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Jan -

I am moving on from SmugMug as soon as I can.  I do have to make a living as a photographer and need a website.  SmugMug was the most I could afford but their prices have gone up so I'm moving on.  The people I photograph know that I am there to try to help.  That's why they put up with me and my cameras.  The photos are used to raise money for self-development projects and I've been involved with the agencies concerned long enough that I know they are doing the best job they can.  I am confident that the families I stay with do not feel exploited and that's all I need to know.  I've been doing this for over 30 years.  As far as stock sales go,  I make almost no sales of the families or people in developing countries.  They are just not marketable as stock.  Sometimes they are used for textbooks but that's about it.  Usually they are used to educate, not sell. I lease many more photos of grocery store shelves and pollution.  

To compare my work to Ami Vitale's is the highest praise I could hope for.

Thanks!

Tina

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Tina -

I know you do and to be honest, I see that is exploitation. When I think of somebody going to shoot brown-skinned people for whatever reason, the first two names which pop into my mind are yours and Ami Vitale. And then you put them on smugmug, where I suppose they get stolen like they would on flickr.
No landscape has ever asked me to pay for a picture or refused to smile and anybody who wanders into a shot is no longer there at the time of publication. Your brown faces might like that you respect them,  but the buyers don’t see that and are not buying your shot because you respect the brown-skinned people.


Jan


On Mar 22, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Tina Manley wrote:

Jan,

I photograph brown faces but not grinning for the camera.  I live with the families for weeks at a time and hope that my photos reflect my love and respect for them:




Tina

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The only two photographers I can think of who don’t shoot smiling brown faces even though they are on location, are Phil Borges and Mark Tucker. Even people who should know better can’t do a portrait without a grinning subject. 
I’d put Dick Avedon on my ‘few smiles’ list, but he is no longer shooting portraits.


Jan

On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:10 PM, karl shah-jenner wrote:

From: "Jan Faul" <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students" <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Brutal Review of PF members exhibit on March 16, 2013



One of my objections to photographers shooting the locals while traveling is that there is a preponderance of smiling faces aimed at the camera while we as viewers do not know if they are smiling because the photographer has just given them $50, promised them a trip to Disneyland, or other inducement to smile. I dislike portfolios of brown-skinned foreigners smiling  at the cameras it reeks of everything bad about Yuppies.




http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/hypocrisy.asp

touches on the subject somewhat..

well, a bit.

I thought it interesting

k


Art Faul

The Artist Formerly Known as Prints
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Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


Art Faul

The Artist Formerly Known as Prints
------
Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com
Camera Works - The Washington Post
art for cars: panowraps.com
.








--
Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com

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