>>Try this one - you take a picture of a kid (innocent) and it is completely harmless, yet some weirdo illegally takes >>it from your website and puts it on their illegal child pron site - YOU (in Oz) have committed an offense - a child >>sex crime and you can be prosecuted for it! Thats our law now. nice, huh.. Well that is unfair. AND, it your lawmakers are wrong. Fortunately, I live in the US of A, and that would not happen."
>>The lawmakers have decided that intent is immaterial, your image (by association) is illegal and thus you're >>responsible for it. Sure if you had the right lawyers and enough dosh you'd be able to brawl your way out of it, >>maybe, but it's a farcical knee-jerk attempt to make photographers responsible for restricting image access.>>>
>>We do not suffer those problems in the US of A.
>>no?
>>I have heard of many executed 'criminals' being found innocent after the fact by DNA evidence in the USA.>>>
Very true. Some cases were looked at because the technology evolved. Some werew convidced because they lack the money for decent lawyers. The bottom line is they were released
>>I do not know where Oz is exactly, but I take it you do not live in the United States. In the US, if you are >>innocent, you will likely be cleared. And get a big time book deal.
>>It's a stupid country below the equator that generates many of the brilliant advancements of the modern day (we >>built the wind tunnel that nasa couldn't, so they could test the shuttle etc) but our system has become >>americanised and the old statutory laws of protection are being eroded as we become more litigeous. >>>
>>Bye-bye computer, printer, cameras. And you don't get them back even if you're found not guilty - and you'll have to rights to own such things stripped from you.>>>
>>Again, I am not sure where you live.
>>Australia
I have friends from that country. When you kill off the Funnel Web Spiders, perhaps I will visit. >>Took a pic of a plane? A copy of a torn up print is found in the garbage.. the plane went down months later under >>suspicious circumstances - 'Gentlemen, we have a suspect!'>>>
>>What would you expect the officials to do for God’s sake? Are you suggesting you should not be investigated in >>some clues pointed to you? Give me a break. See my comment about the plane. The WTC was photographed by >>thousands of people and not much individual investigation of the average Joe. Unless other clues pointed their >>way.
>>But at least one of the suspects (the perpetrators) who flew the plane into the building was found months later to >>be on the other side of the world at the time, contrary to the images of him passing customs that were presented to >>the public would suggest - methinks the crime fightin' authorities might have made a mistake.
We do not live in a world where all technology is foolproof.
>>A nice example occurred here some time back - all measuring devices in Oz are required to be calibrated and >>signed off by a government department referred to as Weights and Measures. An individual who worked for this >>department contested a speed camera ticket and queried when the camera had last been checked. It hadn't - it had >>never been checked, and under the law of the day the device could NOT be considered lawfully accurate. A few >>weeks down the track we have a new law (retrospective of course) saying that speed cameras are the ONE ITEM >>in Oz that measures something that does not need to be calibrated. Nice.>>>
>>Not so sure what that has to do with the thread. Lots of places have lots of rules about this and that and I doubt >>the maintenance is always perfect. Here in Utah, all radar guns must be calibrated and I doubt that always >>happens. The police are required by law to calibrate the device in the presence of the person getting the ticket.
>>it's an example of how governments can and do protect themselves after they've made a mistake.
That one I might give you. CYA is the rule of the day. IT does not necessarily indicate that everyone care to covcer their arse, however.
>>As I said before, the thread scared people unnecessarily. The article on the web site said the printers could show >>our location. Absolutely false. If ALL printer manufacturers announced that EVERY model will embed >>information in the print, it would matter not one bloody hell to most of us who do not break the law. Those that >>do will find a hack or another way to deal with the dots.
>>ah, law breakers are the only ones who need to fear the law. There are more than a few harrowing tales that >>suggest otherwise circulating in many western societies.
True. They are perhaps tens of thousands of stories, but again, not talking about a fioreign country. We are far less abusive in the US of A.
>>There's a new law being proposed here in Oz at the moment, police are to have the power to 'shoot to kill' any >>*suspected* terrorist who may be running from them. We are not an armed country like the US, and police >>shooting are rare, but this will mean the law will grant police the right to kill people who are merely suspected of >>something - effectively they would be lawful government executioners!>>>
>>And you automatically assume police will start shooting people for sport? I seriously doubt that. But, again, I do >>not know where you live. If it does happen, you problem is not the police; it is those that voted for the law. Not to >>mention, the lack of morality of the PD.
>>no, but at the moment an innocent person can't be shot without someone being charged with murder. Laws are >>passed by politicians here, we don't get to vote on that - we just vote the madmen in and after that they pretty >>much do as they please.
>>The innocent Brazillian tourist who was executed at point blank range while lying on the ground in the UK was >>running for a train. I'm not what action the government has taken over that, but if he isn't charged it sends a >>message to the police that they ARE entitled to act rashly. They might have second thoughts if a prosecution >>follows.
That is there, not here. To be clear, we are not without our abuses and shames.
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