> Many tried, but the colleges priorities had changed.. backsides on seats > made money, the reputation of quality students was dropped as a significant > issue :-( I started with a company called "Megahertz Corporation." We started small and everything we produced was first rate. Absolutely no excuse was good enough when we produced a bad product. Eventually we grew and became PCMCIA experts. We went from making a few hundred modems per shift (we had one shift/one line) to producing a thousand products per line, per shift (we had three shifts). We then became part of US Robotics, then 3Com, then MSL. We went from making Palm Pilots a hundred at a time, completely built by hand; to producing every Pilot sold world-wide. As we moved from hand assembly and testing to almost complete automation, quality dropped. Partly due to equipment and partly due to poor quality employees. I was a technical trainer / writer and in the beginning, quality of our employees was paramount. As we grew, we would hire anyone off the street. They did not need to understand or speak English in the eyes of management. We needed butts in chairs doing something and our department could prove this was a bad idea. So it is not just schools that have changed. Bob