> hehe, the 5Mp is already here - how many pro's here will switch I wonder? > ;-) If you turn the camera 45-degrees when you take the picture the effective number of pixels rises to nearly 7.5 million (SQRT(2) * 5) > should we continue the trend of running photo courses based on 'the newest' > technologies, should there be photo courses for cam-phones? They could be part of any course. ATEOTD they *are* photographs. The phones (sp far?) have no controls other than shoot. But then so too do disposable film cameras. I'm sure at least half (WAG estimate) of creativity is in the evye of the photographer - some fantastic images have been made with disposables. For street work (candids) too the phones do not have the same effect (barrier?) to taking natural scenes. People do not change as they do when an F2.8 20mm is pointed at thier group from a 3 kg SLR - they blend into the background. Bob PS ... and I can't download ringones nor play pacman on my EOS D1s!!!