Mike..........Good observations there....... I'll just add that printing borderless prints will sometimes allow a successful image......the white edges will quickly show the "dirty" borders......... Greg ........that paper must be getting pretty old.........I usually don't find dates on B&W paper these days........ --- Mike King <mikeking@cableone.net> wrote: > IMHO paper grain does not get visibly bigger with > age but you will see > higher fog levels unless you add restrainers to the > developer, in which case > sensitivity goes down. Again, just my opinion (and > it's more an impression > and I haven't done the research to put numbers to > this), developer > incorporated papers such as Polycontrast III, > Multigrade Rapid, etc. age > faster than non-developer incorporated ones, VC > papers age faster than > graded (or contrast changes faster with age), and RC > papers age faster than > FB. Contrast seems to go down as fog levels go > up--just what I would expect > since I sometimes use a sub-threshold fogging > exposure (a.k.a. a post flash > exposure) to lower image contrast. > darkroommike > > ---------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Fraser" <Gregory.Fraser@pwgsc.gc.ca> > To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - > Professionals - Students" > <photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 1:02 PM > Subject: Discount Paper > > > > I've seen film that is seriously outdated and it > had huge grain. I presume > this is due to age and the emulsion losing its > sensitivity to light. I'm > wondering if the emulsion on paper is basically the > same as the emulsion on > film and if outdated paper exhibits the same > characteristics. > > > > I ask because I have yet to deplete my first > package of photographic paper > which is outdated Kodak RC. I'm printing 120 > negatives and I feel that the > images should be sharper and less grainy than they > are. > > > > Greg Fraser > > Master of Funk > > http://users.imag.net/~lon2251/Gallery > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com