On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:09:50PM +0200, Michael Blizek wrote: > Legally, you can call it open source. But what I am saying is that it is not > open source in the way people expect it: Um, there is no difference, sorry. > - Devices are crippled locked down so. That is a manufacturer decision, not a limitation of the software itself. I have a device that is not locked down, as do thousands of others. > - Large parts are not GPL/copyleft, but Apache license. The goal is most > likely to empower proprierary vendors to do what they like. Apache license is "open source", sorry if you don't like that. > - It is lead mostly by a single company and some who followed, not by a > community. That has nothing to do with "open source" or not. > - Lots of applications are proprierary. You cannot run the usual Linux > applications, as long as they are not completely rewritten. That has nothing to do with the core and infrastructure being open or not. You can freely write closed source applications on Linux, and lots of people do (Oracle, SAP, etc.) The fact that you feel a "normal" Linux application can not run, again, has nothing to do with calling the system "not open source". > - There is a real comminity effort called openmoko. openmoko is great, but it has nothing to do with Android and its license. > > available....unless u run commercial applications like Oracle on it??? > > nothing to say then :-)...... > > No, but does having a BSD kernel make Apple's "OS X" open source? No one makes that mistake. Android is open, sorry if you don't like that. Now I do have lots of complaints about how Android is turning out, but again, the license has nothing to do with that, I am very happy to see a totally different userspace running on top of a Linux kernel. It shows how flexable the Linux kernel can be and makes you think twice about what you want to call a "Linux" system :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe from this list: send an email with "unsubscribe kernelnewbies" to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxx Please read the FAQ at http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ