I'm actually glad you mentioned Speakup and Lynx. As a matter of fact, I submitted a rather detailed comment at the end of my survey not only mentioning Orca, but letting their staff know that the way I test my own hand-coded websites for accessibility is by first testing them in Lynx, Links and w3m with both Speakup and Orca. If all this stuff works, I know my website is accessible to pretty much everyone, and I have lost very little time in the process of building the website. SO I don't have areas and landmarks, whatever those are, and I don't have all this strange hidden text, so what the screen reader sees and what the end user with eyeballs sees are extremely similar. So what, it works for everyone, and I don't use those landmarks and regions the survey asked about with my screen reader anyway, even though it supports them. Well, I do use live regions to play the playroom website, which uses them quite extensively for very useful things, but everywhere else, they just tend to get in the way. I'm glad Orca does support these things, just in case somehow they become useful, but for now, I build my websites clean and simple without all kinds of clutter, and I do all I can to be sure they just work no matter what browser someone happens to be using, unless of course they use Internet Explorer, which I am unable to test. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie"
