I was digging through all the charsets in dpkg-reconfigure locales, and came across asecond solution: LC_ALL=C man 2 stat this seems to have fixed all the weird issues with my manpages, and perhaps compilations too. Thanks, _|_|_|_|_| _| _|_|_|_| _| _|_|_| _| _|_|_| _| _| _| _|_|_| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _|_|_|_| _|_|_| Visit TDS for quality software and website production http://tysdomain.com msn: tyler at tysdomain.com aim: st8amnd2005 skype: st8amnd127