Hi, OK, I definitely have Gnome installed. I looked at the pkg desc for gdm and still don't know why I'm supposed to remove it. As soon as I tell aptitude to remove it, I get a bunch of errors about broken packages. I ran tasksel several times to install the desktop task like you said and it just sat there at 0% even after waiting a long time. I have a fast connection so I'm sure it wasn't downloading packages. I'm now positive that I have all of Gnome installed. I ran startx and it still just drops me on tty7 with no speech and no Orca. I'm sure I have gdm removed even though it complained about gnome being broken. It still wants to know what window manager to use and I don't think gnome itself is a window manager. I've created new xorg config files from scratch a bunch of times and still no luck. If I need to install something else, what? I don't mind using Google but I'm not really sure what I'm looking for since I'm sure gnome is fully installed now. It looks like the window manager doesn't matter but whatever I pick doesn't work. If I look at the x11-common pkg, it looks like it installs a bunch of other window managers with no explanation of what to use. I don't mind completely reinstalling everything but I'm not sure what pkgs to remove other than gnome-desktop-environment. I still need help here and I'm obviously missing something.