When I sent my OE settings, I forgot to mention that the smtp port is 465. The port for incoming mail is 995. I mention the incoming port because the pop and smtp settings are the same except for the port number, and I have no problem getting my mail with getmail. As for outgoing mail, I am still getting "530: authentication required" even after adding the line to the macros file, which btw needs to be in all caps. I did remember to update and invoke. Somehow, smtp authentication seems to be the problem but I'm wondering how to make sure this is working on port 465. thanks. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."