Well, I have speakup or should we have speakup working with the 2.6.12 kernel. Hopefully I will get it checked in to cvs in the next day or so. I'm tried checking once but it went south on me and has things munged so I have to unmunged it before the checkin will work correctly. I have to give a big thanks to Daniel Drake from the gentoo project who was much faster out of the gate than I was. I only had it about half converted when he started dropping patches in my lap. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061