Oh yeah, the docs are definitely there--unless you have a spy system and are removing them and putting them back depending on what browser I use--*grin*! I'm sure you have nothing better to do with your days than monitor me so you can drive me crazy!!! I've eliminated my problem on the debian install by replacing the dev16 with 2.8.5-1 but my lynx installation on fedora is doing other weird things besides the RH site. It doesn't seem to want to let me download from an ftp site, for instance Pine and opensound.com,; I was able to download from the brltty site but I don't remember if that's an http or ftp url. But I had no trouble with pine or opensound on links the chain or with ftp and I had no trouble with them on my debian installation with the 2.8.5-1 browser. I've done several linux installs and several lynx browser changes and never had this problemm so it's very strange. will let you know what the problem was if I ever get to the bottom of it. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."