what's wrong with following the developers guide for doubletalk and trying to implement a module for gnopernicus. yes you'd need to test it but why not put out a plea for a guineapig. either way someone's got to test it and give you feedback. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman