While I agree with you that it is good to have a handle on stuff to make your apps more flexible, I don't think it is quite fair to get down on folks who want say a word processor that works out of the box. If they write great stuff that contributes to the welfare of humankind, then shall we condemn them for using the creative energy we might use in Linux towards a great goal? In short, different strokes for different folks. We should have both kinds of operating systems and applications. On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Shaun Oliver wrote: > you're preeching to the converted here. > fact is there's a big market out there for the microsoft way of doing > things. And, make no mistake that's why microsoft has the market share > it does. > > The simple fact is $user out there wants things done automatically. and > that means all hardware has to work out of the box and more than likely > a technission has to put it all together and set it all up for them. > > $user out there just wants to turn the damn thing on and go. > They don't give a fuck what's under the hood. > we do, and we know better but unfortunately that's the way of the world. > > -- -- Charlie Crawford