OK, that's it! Since you say Windows is so good, tell me exactly how I could duplicate my setup in Windows. I have 3 computers on my local network. An AMD 100 MHZ with 32 Meg, a Pentium 233 MHZ with 64 Meg, and an AMD 2 GHZ with 512 Meg. I just got the AMD 2 GHZ last week, so it isn't being used for much yet. The AMD 100 is the gateway, local DNS server, and (up until last week) my usual work station. The P 233 does mail, is my usual system to use on the reflector, and my sighted girl friend's work station. Most of the time, we are both logged into the laptop doing different things. I set these systems up without sighted help. That includes setting up Gnome 1.4 for her on the laptop and Gnome 2.2 on my new system. At this moment, we are both doing things on the laptop. I'm writing this message and she's browsing the web. First question is which version of Windows will allow multi users. Just to make sure you get what I'm asking: more than 1 user using the same computer at the same time without fighting over keyboard screen or mouse. I listen to Internet radio stations all the time. To listen to a station, I just type it's name. What Windows will let me do that? Last Wednesday, my girl friend had the X server crash while she was browsing. All that happened was she got kicked back to the log in prompt. My log ins weren't effected. What Windows can survive it's GUI crashing without causing any problems for the system? None of this software costs a dime, so your solutions should cost the same. My girl friend isn't technical. She uses the GUI and if she has problems, she tells me about them and I fix them. When I showed her your message, she told me to tell you to "go rot in hell." When someone non technical can see you're full of it, you should pay attention! I think you should go fuck off! If Windows is so good, go reboot your computers, threaten companies to make them write accessible software, and don't bitch about it when Micro soft shafts you again. Kenny On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:29:00AM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > Hi Steve and all, > > Linux won't be a good modern desktop for most blind users until Gnopernicus > gets further along and the graphical desktops and most applications are > accessible. I'm not saying anything about liking the current state of > affairs; I'm just being realistic. > > > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!