But then it wouldn't be Speakup. If you prefer it, you should consider deferring to the possibility that its presence in the kernel is the very reason you like it so well. Do you think you'd have access to any console if Speakup loaded further up the stack? I happen to think access to any console is a very big deal, and very much an equalizer. After all, everyone else has that, even if they choose not to use it. Luke Davis writes: > From: Luke Davis <ldavis at shellworld.net> > > We already do agree to that. Choices are the best solution to any > situation. > > My point was this: if there was a user-space speakup, I tend to think this > current Redhat problem would be a bit less intense. I have used other > Linux screen reading packages, and prefer Speakup by far, bugs and all. > I agree, that if they are on an instability binge, Readhat had good reason > to pull it. However, if it was user-space, they may very well have left > it in, as the kernel would be (almost) untouched. > > Luke > > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Huh? What is that? I have no idea what a "nonkernel version of Speakup" is, but if you want fully user-space accessibility, it's out there. Go use emacspeak, yasr, > > screader, etc. You have choices. That's a good thing. I want my choices, too. I expect that's a good thing as well. > > > > If there's on screen display, there needs to be a generic accessible alternative. If there's user action capture of any sort, there needs to be the ability to > > interface alternative input devices. By my logic, Speakup in the kernel is progress. We still need to fix grub and the bios. > > > > I'll tell you what, Luke. Let's support choices. Just don't decide for me which ones I should do without unless you want everyone in the world to do without them, too. > > Maybe then I'd consider your suggestion equitable. Putting it like this, if I understand you correctly, is just more acquiessance to inequity. > > > > PS: I really don't understand how you can make the kind of strong statements you've justifiably made about RH's RCE policy over the last few weeks, yet accept second > > class citizenship at the system initialization level. Those two don't square with me. > > > > > > Luke Davis writes: > > > From: Luke Davis <ldavis at shellworld.net> > > > > > > I'll just say one thing here: this is only another reason, why there > > > should be a non-kernel version of speakup. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > > > Thomas D. Ward writes: > > > > > From: "Thomas D. Ward" <tward1978 at ea> specific technicaland realistic reasons for pulling speakup. If they were > > > > > If they were out to screw us they would have yanked festival and emacspeak from the > > > > > distro as well. wouldn't they??? > > > > > > > > > And at-spi which doesn't even do anything yet as the GNOME accessibility applications aren't ready yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
