Huh? What is that? I have no idea what a "nonkernel version of Speakup" is, but if you want fully user-space accessibility, it's out there. Go use emacspeak, yasr, screader, etc. You have choices. That's a good thing. I want my choices, too. I expect that's a good thing as well. If there's on screen display, there needs to be a generic accessible alternative. If there's user action capture of any sort, there needs to be the ability to interface alternative input devices. By my logic, Speakup in the kernel is progress. We still need to fix grub and the bios. I'll tell you what, Luke. Let's support choices. Just don't decide for me which ones I should do without unless you want everyone in the world to do without them, too. Maybe then I'd consider your suggestion equitable. Putting it like this, if I understand you correctly, is just more acquiessance to inequity. PS: I really don't understand how you can make the kind of strong statements you've justifiably made about RH's RCE policy over the last few weeks, yet accept second class citizenship at the system initialization level. Those two don't square with me. Luke Davis writes: > From: Luke Davis <ldavis at shellworld.net> > > I'll just say one thing here: this is only another reason, why there > should be a non-kernel version of speakup. > > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Thomas D. Ward writes: > > > From: "Thomas D. Ward" <tward1978 at ea> specific technicaland realistic reasons for pulling speakup. If they were > > > If they were out to screw us they would have yanked festival and emacspeak from the > > > distro as well. wouldn't they??? > > > > > And at-spi which doesn't even do anything yet as the GNOME accessibility applications aren't ready yet. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175