as to this quote, Was it Redhat that acquired AFB or was it the other way around? it certainly looks like red hat aquired afb chuck. -- Shaun Oliver "if macOS is for the computer illiterate, then windoze is for the computer masochists" EMAIL: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001 at hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200