OK OK Everyone; I am right and the world is wrong. Smile. Since accessibility to Redhat or any other operating system is a legal acre of quicksand, it's probably best that we use diplomatic levers to get them to incorporate access. This does not mean please please please, it means we need to continue to communicate with them and remind them of the advantages to sales within certain areas such as federal procurements. This is especially true in an open source and volunteer environment that has a curious mix of commercialism. Since we want to promote accessible linux environments then we should do that with Redhat and anyone else who will listen. Over time we can garner more territory in the OS and once material connections are made to the workplace we will have the kind of leverage that gets into legal issues. Hope this helps. -- Charlie Crawford. On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Shaun Oliver wrote: > *SNIP* > Was it Redhat that acquired AFB or was it the other way around? > *SNIP* > > here's my $0.2 worth on the subject. > janina, I've normally seen your side of the argument a good deal of the > time. and each time you've provided what I would consider reasonable > arguments. > not that everyone else agrees with them though, and even I don't agree > with all of them. > however, when one starts to make personal attacks on people suggesting > the possibility of their hearing voices, and how dare you pick on my > beloved red hat, and shooting off your mouth, or in this case, keyboard > calls into question your competency as an advocate for people with > visual impairments. there's no need for such attacks on this list and > yes, even I'm guilty of it from time to time. however, that doesn't > excuse your actions in previous posts to this list on this matter. > save your personal attacks for your partner in heated discussions or > arguments. let's keep it real people, we're in the business of helping. > and let's help where we can however we can whenever we can. > like kirk says, why be helpful when you are not. > thank you for listening to my rantings. > >