Oh, I'm gonna try convincing them to do that, but my college has extremely strict rules on what's installed on their lab computers. Far too many students installing illegal, offensive, or non relavant garbage, and now its like being in the military to get anything done. I won't mention how hard it was to get a windows screen reader installed, and I wonder what teeth I'll have to pull to get the modified redhat installed. Jason Symes kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat can cause kids The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke) if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything. If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all! Just trying to plug away!