swsusp & modules [was Re: [linux-pm] [Fwd: Re: PM messages]]

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Hi!

> > > I'm not sure what hardware model you were thinking of,
> > > but that approach doesn't seem like it can be "right"
> > > for all hardware.  The very thing that enables you to
> > > enter the deepest sleep state might be that you had
> > > already stopped using the 48MHz clock, PLL shut down.
> > > That's a real world example from OMAP(*).
> > > 
> > > So that issue is what I said:  "don't restart".  You
> > > were talking about "don't stop".
> > 
> > Well, in case of suspend-to-disk, there's no need to really enter deep
> > sleep during freeze, right?
> 
> The S4 style STD would certainly use "deep sleep".

But not during freeze phase!

During drivers-frozen phase, you are copying memory, you do not want
your cpu sleeping.

> > I'm arguing "freeze/unfreeze" can be very fast. No need to play with
> > partial trees, because "freeze/unfreeze" can be fast and it is easier
> > that way.
> 
> "Can be" on some hardware, depending on how "freeze" is
> implemented.  What happens to devices that are already
> fully shut down?  Or devices that issue wakeup events
> when they're unfrozen?

"Can be", on all hardware.

If the device is alread fully shut down, it can't generate DMA, right?
So freeze is NOP. I fail to see why device would issue anything during unfreeze.

> > Actually, you can't store it in device->driver_data without making
> > driver_data __nosave. And that would be kind of painfull.
> 
> Erm, care to elaborate on "__nosave"?  The driver
> would probably break if you didn't save its driver
> data ... I suspect you're making some assumptions
> about what drivers do with "freeze", ones that
> should be made explicit so I can properly agree
> with them (or not).

Forget nosave. You simply can't tell if it was only freeze or if
machine went powerdown in between based on anything in memory (without
using __nosave, but you should not be using __nosave).
								Pavel
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