Re: DVBSky T980C CI issues (kernel 4.0.x)

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Hi Torbjörn,

If you did bisect this, can you please send the bisect result and a
description of the issue to the linux-media mailing list and to the
author of the commit that caused the problem?

Thanks!

Cheers,
-olli

On 18 February 2016 at 00:15, Torbjorn Jansson
<torbjorn.jansson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> retested with media_tree at commit: 13f6e8887a1f61764a05a3348476d38071201f08
> this is the most recent one that i bisected before that doesn't result in
> module load problems.
>
> with my patch to add the new revision of the 4650 usb device and above
> commit plus your proposed change to si2168.c did not produce any different
> result.
> still problems tuning dvbt2 channels.
>
> i also tested my updated tuning file for dvbv5-scan with my other usb stick:
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 2013:024f PCTV Systems nanoStick T2 290e
> to confirm the scanning input file was good and it was.
> the pctv stick can properly tune the t2 muxes.
>
>
>
> On 2016-02-17 22:54, Torbjorn Jansson wrote:
>>
>> testing is likely to be a bit problematic because using the most recent
>> code from media_tree results in the following during module load and
>> after this the modules are not loaded properly (/dev/dvb missing)
>>
>> i will retry with older code.
>>
>>
>> [    5.558524] WARNING: You are using an experimental version of the
>> media stack.
>>                  As the driver is backported to an older kernel, it
>> doesn't offer
>>                  enough quality for its usage in production.
>>                  Use it with care.
>>                 Latest git patches (needed if you report a bug to
>> linux-media@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx):
>>                  3d0ccad0dbbd51b64d307c64cc163002334afbfa [media] siano:
>> use generic function to create MC device
>>                  dd47fbd40e6ea6884e295e13a2e50b0894258fdf [media]
>> smsusb: don't sleep while atomic
>>                  21cf734c79e6c741dcdf383dbaef3b551b931568 [media] siano:
>> firmware buffer is too small
>> [    5.750834] usb 1-2: dvb_usb_v2: found a 'TechnoTrend TT-connect
>> CT2-4650 CI v1.1' in warm state
>> [    5.751737] usb 1-2: dvb_usb_v2: will pass the complete MPEG2
>> transport stream to the software demuxer
>> [    5.751754] DVB: registering new adapter (TechnoTrend TT-connect
>> CT2-4650 CI v1.1)
>> [    5.751799] usb 1-2: media controller created
>> [    5.754172] usb 1-2: dvb_usb_v2: MAC address: bc:ea:2b:65:06:6f
>> [    5.754527] dvb_create_media_entity: media entity 'dvb-demux'
>> registered.
>> [    5.761734] i2c i2c-1: Added multiplexed i2c bus 2
>> [    5.761738] si2168 1-0064: Silicon Labs Si2168 successfully attached
>> [    5.767308] si2157 2-0060: Silicon Labs Si2147/2148/2157/2158
>> successfully attached
>> [    5.776422] dvb_create_media_entity: media entity 'dvb-ca-en50221'
>> registered.
>> [    5.777199] sp2 1-0040: CIMaX SP2 successfully attached
>> [    5.777211] usb 1-2: DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (Silicon
>> Labs Si2168)...
>> [    5.777214] dvb_create_media_entity: media entity 'Silicon Labs
>> Si2168' registered.
>> [    5.780048] ------------[ cut here ]------------
>> [    5.780059] WARNING: CPU: 1 PID: 568 at lib/idr.c:1051
>> ida_remove+0xef/0x120()
>> [    5.780060] ida_remove called for id=512 which is not allocated.
>> [    5.780061] Modules linked in: sp2(OE) si2157(OE) si2168(OE)
>> dvb_usb_dvbsky(OE+) m88ds3103(OE) dvb_usb_v2(OE) i2c_mux dvb_core(OE)
>> rc_core(OE) videodev(OE) media(OE) iosf_mbi ppdev crct10dif_pclmul
>> crc32_pclmul crc32c_intel snd_hda_codec_generic snd_hda_intel
>> snd_hda_codec snd_hda_core snd_hwdep snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm
>> parport_pc joydev snd_timer snd parport virtio_balloon soundcore pvpanic
>> i2c_piix4 acpi_cpufreq tpm_tis tpm qxl 8021q drm_kms_helper garp stp llc
>> mrp virtio_blk ttm virtio_net virtio_console drm serio_raw virtio_pci
>> virtio_ring ata_generic virtio pata_acpi
>> [    5.780086] CPU: 1 PID: 568 Comm: systemd-udevd Tainted: G OE
>> 4.3.4-200.fc22.x86_64 #1
>> [    5.780087] Hardware name: Bochs Bochs, BIOS Bochs 01/01/2011
>> [    5.780089]  0000000000000000 0000000069734069 ffff88007c23b6f8
>> ffffffff813a625f
>> [    5.780090]  ffff88007c23b740 ffff88007c23b730 ffffffff810a07c2
>> ffff88003680ac08
>> [    5.780092]  ffff88003680ac08 0000000000000206 ffff88007b7a4500
>> ffff88007b43e158
>> [    5.780094] Call Trace:
>> [    5.780097]  [<ffffffff813a625f>] dump_stack+0x44/0x55
>> [    5.780100]  [<ffffffff810a07c2>] warn_slowpath_common+0x82/0xc0
>> [    5.780102]  [<ffffffff810a085c>] warn_slowpath_fmt+0x5c/0x80
>> [    5.780107]  [<ffffffff813bab85>] ? find_next_bit+0x15/0x20
>> [    5.780109]  [<ffffffff813a73ff>] ida_remove+0xef/0x120
>> [    5.780110]  [<ffffffff813a7e7b>] ida_simple_remove+0x2b/0x50
>> [    5.780114]  [<ffffffffa022404d>]
>> __media_device_unregister_entity+0x2d/0xd0 [media]
>> [    5.780116]  [<ffffffffa022411c>]
>> media_device_unregister_entity+0x2c/0x40 [media]
>> [    5.780119]  [<ffffffffa02770ff>] dvb_media_device_free+0x1f/0x130
>> [dvb_core]
>> [    5.780122]  [<ffffffffa0277252>] dvb_unregister_device+0x42/0x80
>> [dvb_core]
>> [    5.780125]  [<ffffffffa027da05>] dvb_ca_en50221_release+0x75/0xb0
>> [dvb_core]
>> [    5.780127]  [<ffffffffa02af289>] sp2_remove+0x49/0xa0 [sp2]
>> [    5.780134]  [<ffffffff815dc18b>] i2c_device_remove+0x4b/0xa0
>> [    5.780137]  [<ffffffff814d9501>] __device_release_driver+0xa1/0x150
>> [    5.780141]  [<ffffffff814d95d3>] device_release_driver+0x23/0x30
>> [    5.780143]  [<ffffffff814d8c21>] bus_remove_device+0x101/0x170
>> [    5.780145]  [<ffffffff814d4ec9>] device_del+0x139/0x260
>> [    5.780147]  [<ffffffff813a8647>] ? kobject_put+0x27/0x50
>> [    5.780149]  [<ffffffff815dc680>] ? __unregister_dummy+0x30/0x30
>> [    5.780151]  [<ffffffff814d500e>] device_unregister+0x1e/0x60
>> [    5.780153]  [<ffffffff815dc6be>] __unregister_client+0x3e/0x50
>> [    5.780154]  [<ffffffff814d4970>] device_for_each_child+0x50/0x90
>> [    5.780156]  [<ffffffff815de99e>] i2c_del_adapter+0x20e/0x300
>> [    5.780166]  [<ffffffff81203ed8>] ? kfree+0x128/0x130
>> [    5.780169]  [<ffffffffa025c974>] dvb_usbv2_exit+0x1c4/0x3c0
>> [dvb_usb_v2]
>> [    5.780171]  [<ffffffffa025d44f>] dvb_usbv2_probe+0xff/0x1200
>> [dvb_usb_v2]
>> [    5.780174]  [<ffffffff814e4619>] ? __pm_runtime_set_status+0x189/0x230
>> [    5.780182]  [<ffffffff81570282>] usb_probe_interface+0x1b2/0x2d0
>> [    5.780184]  [<ffffffff814d9b82>] driver_probe_device+0x222/0x480
>> [    5.780185]  [<ffffffff814d9e64>] __driver_attach+0x84/0x90
>> [    5.780187]  [<ffffffff814d9de0>] ? driver_probe_device+0x480/0x480
>> [    5.780188]  [<ffffffff814d765c>] bus_for_each_dev+0x6c/0xc0
>> [    5.780190]  [<ffffffff814d933e>] driver_attach+0x1e/0x20
>> [    5.780191]  [<ffffffff814d8e7b>] bus_add_driver+0x1eb/0x280
>> [    5.780193]  [<ffffffff814da6b0>] driver_register+0x60/0xe0
>> [    5.780195]  [<ffffffff8156eb24>] usb_register_driver+0x84/0x140
>> [    5.780196]  [<ffffffffa00bb000>] ? 0xffffffffa00bb000
>> [    5.780199]  [<ffffffffa00bb01e>] dvbsky_usb_driver_init+0x1e/0x1000
>> [dvb_usb_dvbsky]
>> [    5.780202]  [<ffffffff81002123>] do_one_initcall+0xb3/0x200
>> [    5.780206]  [<ffffffff8177d99e>] ? preempt_schedule_common+0x1e/0x40
>> [    5.780208]  [<ffffffff8177d9dc>] ? _cond_resched+0x1c/0x30
>> [    5.780210]  [<ffffffff8120427e>] ? kmem_cache_alloc_trace+0x19e/0x220
>> [    5.780214]  [<ffffffff811a4947>] ? do_init_module+0x27/0x1e5
>> [    5.780215]  [<ffffffff811a497f>] do_init_module+0x5f/0x1e5
>> [    5.780221]  [<ffffffff811254fe>] load_module+0x201e/0x2630
>> [    5.780223]  [<ffffffff811219c0>] ? __symbol_put+0x60/0x60
>> [    5.780229]  [<ffffffff81229830>] ? kernel_read+0x50/0x80
>> [    5.780231]  [<ffffffff81125d59>] SyS_finit_module+0xb9/0xf0
>> [    5.780237]  [<ffffffff8178182e>] entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath+0x12/0x71
>> [    5.780239] ---[ end trace 944e313bd83469d2 ]---
>> [    5.783508] dvb_usb_dvbsky: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -12
>> [    5.783524] usbcore: registered new interface driver dvb_usb_dvbsky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-02-17 14:42, Olli Salonen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Torbjörn,
>>>
>>> Try commenting out this line in si2168.c and let me know if that
>>> changes things.
>>>
>>>          if (c->delivery_system == SYS_DVBT2) {
>>>                  /* select PLP */
>>>                  cmd.args[0] = 0x52;
>>>                  cmd.args[1] = c->stream_id & 0xff;
>>> //              cmd.args[2] = c->stream_id == NO_STREAM_ID_FILTER ? 0
>>> : 1;
>>>                  cmd.wlen = 3;
>>>                  cmd.rlen = 1;
>>>                  ret = si2168_cmd_execute(s, &cmd);
>>>                  if (ret)
>>>                          goto err;
>>>          }
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -olli
>>>
>>> On 17 February 2016 at 08:24, Olli Salonen <olli.salonen@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Torbjörn,
>>>>
>>>> I connected my old v1 CT2-4650CI to my test PC and indeed, it seems
>>>> that there's something wrong with tuning to T2 channels.
>>>>
>>>> Here's first a tune with the CT2-4500CI (same as DVBSky T980C) and
>>>> then with the CT2-4650CI.
>>>>
>>>> olli@dl160:~$ dvbv5-zap -a 1 "Yle Teema HD" -c dvb_channel.conf -o
>>>> teema.ts -t 10
>>>> using demux '/dev/dvb/adapter1/demux0'
>>>> reading channels from file 'dvb_channel.conf'
>>>> service has pid type 06:  50
>>>> tuning to 184500000 Hz
>>>> video pid 316
>>>>    dvb_set_pesfilter 316
>>>> audio pid 880
>>>>    dvb_set_pesfilter 880
>>>>         (0x00)
>>>> Lock   (0x1f) Signal= -72.00dBm C/N= 26.75dB
>>>> Lock   (0x1f) Signal= -72.00dBm C/N= 26.50dB
>>>> Record to file 'teema.ts' started
>>>> copied 6478856 bytes (632 Kbytes/sec)
>>>> Lock   (0x1f) Signal= -72.00dBm C/N= 26.50dB
>>>>
>>>> olli@dl160:~$ dvbv5-zap -a 0 "Yle Teema HD" -c dvb_channel.conf -o
>>>> teema.ts -t 3
>>>> using demux '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'
>>>> reading channels from file 'dvb_channel.conf'
>>>> service has pid type 06:  50
>>>> tuning to 184500000 Hz
>>>> video pid 316
>>>>    dvb_set_pesfilter 316
>>>> audio pid 880
>>>>    dvb_set_pesfilter 880
>>>>         (0x00)
>>>>         (0x00) Signal= -104.00dBm
>>>>         (0x00) Signal= -104.00dBm
>>>>
>>>> frontend doesn't lock
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to look into that...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -olli
>>>>
>>>> On 17 February 2016 at 01:12, Torbjorn Jansson
>>>> <torbjorn.jansson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Perfect.
>>>>> Looks like i have some more testing to do in the next few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> something else, when testing my 4650 card i cant get it to tune
>>>>> properly to
>>>>> dvb-t2 muxes.
>>>>> but i'm not yet sure if this is a driver issue or if i made a
>>>>> mistake with
>>>>> the tuning parameters since the file i use that came with the dvbv5
>>>>> programs
>>>>> was missing the t2 mux so i had to put that one in manually.
>>>>>
>>>>> so more testing is needed first and with your patch for the T980C
>>>>> card i can
>>>>> probably test both things at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-02-16 21:20, Olli Salonen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Found the issue and submitted a patch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The I2C buses for T980C/T2-4500CI were crossed when CI registration
>>>>>> was moved to its own function.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -olli
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31 January 2016 at 10:55, Torbjorn Jansson
>>>>>> <torbjorn.jansson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this ci problem is the reason i decided to buy the CT2-4650 usb based
>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>> but the 4650 was a slightly newer revision needing a patch i
>>>>>>> submitted
>>>>>>> earlier.
>>>>>>> and also this 4650 device does not have auto switching between
>>>>>>> dvb-t and
>>>>>>> t2
>>>>>>> like the dvbsky card have, so i also need an updated version of
>>>>>>> mythtv.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my long term wish is to not have to patch things or build custom
>>>>>>> kernels
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> modules.
>>>>>>> so anything done to improve the dvbsky card or the 4650 is much
>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-01-28 20:42, Olli Salonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jürgen & Mauro,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did bisect this and it seems this rather big patch broke it:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2b0aac3011bc7a9db27791bed4978554263ef079 is the first bad commit
>>>>>>>> commit 2b0aac3011bc7a9db27791bed4978554263ef079
>>>>>>>> Author: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Date:   Tue Dec 23 13:48:07 2014 -0200
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        [media] cx23885: move CI/MAC registration to a separate
>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        As reported by smatch:
>>>>>>>>            drivers/media/pci/cx23885/cx23885-dvb.c:2080
>>>>>>>> dvb_register()
>>>>>>>> Function too hairy.  Giving up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        This is indeed a too complex function, with lots of stuff
>>>>>>>> inside.
>>>>>>>>        Breaking this into two functions makes it a little bit
>>>>>>>> less hairy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Signed-off-by: Mauro Carvalho Chehab
>>>>>>>> <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's getting a bit late, so I'll call it a day now and have a
>>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>>> the patch to see what goes wrong there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -olli
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 January 2016 at 20:57, Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Olli,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 19:26 +0200, Olli Salonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jürgen,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you get anywhere with this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a clone of your card and was just starting to look at this
>>>>>>>>>> issue. Kernel 3.19 seems to work ok, but 4.3 not. Did you have any
>>>>>>>>>> time to try to pinpoint this more?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, unfortunately not. I have spend a few hours adding printk's
>>>>>>>>> but it
>>>>>>>>> did not get me any closer what causes the issue. This really needs
>>>>>>>>> investigation from someone who is more familiar with linux media.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last thing I tried was the latest (semi open) drivers from
>>>>>>>>> dvbsky on a
>>>>>>>>> 4.3 kernel. Here the CI and CAM registered successfully.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>> Jurgen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -olli
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12 September 2015 at 10:02, Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 22:01 +0200, Torbjorn Jansson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-23 19:50, Jurgen Kramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2015-07-12 at 12:38 +0200, Jurgen Kramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been running a couple of DVBSky T980C's with CIs with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> success
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using an older kernel (3.17.8) with media-build and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added patches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the mailing list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought lets try a current 4.0 kernel to see if I no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running a custom kernel. Everything works just fine except
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the CAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> module. I am seeing these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [  456.574969] dvb_ca adapter 0: Invalid PC card inserted :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [  456.626943] dvb_ca adapter 1: Invalid PC card inserted :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [  456.666932] dvb_ca adapter 2: Invalid PC card inserted :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The normal 'CAM detected and initialised' messages to do show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure what changed in the recent kernels, what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debug this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jurgen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retest. I've isolated one T980C on another PC with kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.5, still the same 'Invalid PC card inserted :(' message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even after installed today's media_build from git no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any hints where to start looking would be appreciated!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cimax2.c|h do not seem to have changed. There are changes to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dvb_ca_en50221.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jurgen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> did you get it to work?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it needs a thorough debug session. So far no one seems
>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>> help...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i got a dvbsky T980C too for dvb-t2 reception and so far the
>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers that have worked at all is the ones from dvbsky
>>>>>>>>>>>> directly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i was very happy when i noticed that recent kernels have support
>>>>>>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>>>>>>> built in but unfortunately only the modules and firmware loads
>>>>>>>>>>>> but then
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing actually works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> i use mythtv and it complains a lot about the signal, running
>>>>>>>>>>>> femon also
>>>>>>>>>>>> produces lots of errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so i had to switch back to kernel 4.0.4 with mediabuild from
>>>>>>>>>>>> dvbsky.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> if there were any other dvb-t2 card with ci support that had
>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers i would change right away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> one problem i have with the mediabuilt from dvbsky is that at
>>>>>>>>>>>> boot the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cam never works and i have to first tune a channel, then remove
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstert the cam to get it to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>> without that nothing works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and finally a problem i ran into when i tried mediabuilt from
>>>>>>>>>>>> linuxtv.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>> fedora uses kernel modules with .ko.xz extension so when you
>>>>>>>>>>>> install the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mediabuilt modulels you get one modulename.ko and one
>>>>>>>>>>>> modulename.ko.xz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> before a make install from mediabuild overwrote the needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> modules.
>>>>>>>>>>>> any advice on how to handle this now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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