Hi Eric! On 2023-08-17 17:23, Eric Blake wrote: > > I'm not sure if the POSIX original is quite roff, but I just confirmed > that I have access to the repository where Issue 8 is being worked on > (it required me to have an Open Group login, so you may not be able to > access this page): > > https://gitlab.opengroup.org/the-austin-group/sus_base/-/commits/Issue8/ > > I can also recommend contacting Andrew Josey (ajosey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - > admin) and/or Geoff Clare (gwc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - most active committer > in that project) of the Austin Group, to figure out if there is a way > for you to get access to that repository. > >>>> >>>> My understanding from hermetic comments to the Austin Group mailing list >>>> over the years is that: >>>> >>>> 1. they have used groff for many years (a decade or more); >>>> 2. they don't use man(7) for their man pages (I was told this directly); >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> 3. they use (a customized version of) mm(7)--or I _think_ I saw someone >>>> say this, but I have no citation and I am not even sure it was an >>>> Open Group employee who claimed it. >>> >>> I'd love to have the ms(7) source then. That way I would have a reason >>> to learn ms(7). :) >> >> Oops, mm(7). > > Based on my quick perusal, it is indeed .mm files that form the bulk > of the content in that repository. For example, even if you can't > access the repository yet, I don't think there is any problem under > the fair use doctrine for sharing a snippet of a recent commit: > > | commit 7fad34c5f734d7a54c6a5fa8124baf819c2b8de5 > | Author: Geoff Clare <gwc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > | Date: Tue Aug 8 10:52:54 2023 +0100 > | > | Applied bug 1741 > | > | diff --git a/Base/Text/Functions/getlocalename_l.mm b/Base/Text/Functions/getlocalename_l.mm > | index 13af2a5..339bfc5 100644 > | --- a/Base/Text/Functions/getlocalename_l.mm > | +++ b/Base/Text/Functions/getlocalename_l.mm > | @@ -12,7 +12,9 @@ const char *getlocalename_l(int \f6category\fP, locale_t \f6locobj\fP); > | .sE > | .yE > | .mH DESCRIPTION > | -The > | +If > | +.Ar category > | +is not LC_ALL, the > | .Fn getlocalename_l > | function shall return the locale name for the given locale category of > | the locale object > | ... > >>> It would certainly be better than the HTML files. It would be >>> interesting to adapt the Linux man-pages build system to also support >>> ms(7) pages. >>> >>>> >>>> We fixed a bunch of bugs in GNU mm for groff 1.23.0.[1] I wonder if >>>> they will be cross with me about that. Even if they didn't rely on any >>>> erstwhile misbehavior, the source churned, some internals changed, and >>>> if they patched the package, I wouldn't count on the patches still >>>> applying cleanly. >>>> >>>>> Would you mind forwarding my rage towards the Open group, which IMO is >>>>> not so open? >>>> >>>> Maybe scrape off the rage first, or you might get a response from Robert >>>> Elz, who is even more cantankerous and writes at even greater length >>>> than I do. ;-) >>> >>> I promise to scrape the rage if I get a name and an email of who to talk >>> to. Maybe Eric can help. :) > > I'm not forwarding this email directly, but I'm happy to be a liaison > to connect you with other Austin Group members. > -- <http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/> GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5
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