Jeff Garzik wrote: > David H. Lynch Jr wrote: > > I'm arguing against circular logic: the claim that one cannot > determine reiser4's true usefulness unless its in the tree. > > The better method is to get a distro to add reiser4, _then_ if it > proves worthy add it to the kernel tree. > > Not the other way around. And is that how other filesystems made it into the tree ? I am actually trying to be rational about this. But if my logic is circular then the above is even more so. I am aware of distributions that would incorporate Reiser4 if it was in the tree, but not really aware of much that works the other way around. Besides after eliminating say the top 4 distributions, how is it that getting included as a burried alternate in an obscure distribution is going to change the total number of existing Reiser4 users to a meaningful extent. It would be my guess that Reiser4 already has more users than any filesystem has ever had prior to inclusion in the kernel. Aside from a few instances where distributors are also contributors, and a few instances where specific drivers such as gaming video drivers are in extremely high demand, how frequently do drivers go into distributions before they go into the tree ? Is that supposed to be the standard for all drivers ? I regularly see drivers with very little in the way of testing go straight nearly straight into the tree - without even getting tagged as experimental. And what is CONFIG_EXERIMENTAL supposed to be for ? All I am asking is that now that Hans is not pissing all over people that the Reiser4 Filesystem get exactly the same treatment that pretty much every other filesystem already in or slated for inclusion in the kernel has received. I am sure that their are others who may have a more accurate perception of history. But my recollection is that the only filesystem driver that went through a distribution prior to getting into the Kernel was ReiserFS. I am not even asking that it get accepted exactly asis - though it is my perception that despite Hans's pissing and moaning in the end he made most every change that was asked. Regardless, now that you don't have Hans to deal with anymore. Give Namesys an honest and reasonable set of requirements to get a decent review - the same shot any other filesystem would get. -- Dave Lynch DLA Systems Software Development: Embedded Linux 717.627.3770 dhlii@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.dlasys.net fax: 1.253.369.9244 Cell: 1.717.587.7774 Over 25 years' experience in platforms, languages, and technologies too numerous to list. "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html