Jeff Garzik wrote: > > If the compelling reason is that it needs a test, I'd say its not ready. Can you please elaborate ? I am not sure I understand what you are arguing ? Despite his substantially less than polite rhetoric, I have read Hans's post from months if not years ago. Aside from the pissing contests - which where not entirely one sided, I actually beleive that Hans made a reasonable case that Reiser4 had gone about as far as it could reasonably go with regard to testing, robustness, ... without the broader base of use that even an experimental filesystem in distribution tree would get. I for one would atleast play with it if it were in the distribution tree. As far as I could tell pretty much everything else that was demanded Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. The argument that anything that needs testing can't get into the distribution tree's is specious. There is alot of poorly tested crap in the distribution trees. But separately, there is the issue of scale. Namesys claims that they have no currently know bugs, faults ... - with their base of internal and external users. I would fully expect new failures to crop up with any filesystem, driver, ... moving up an order of magnitude in users. Are you going to subject all filesystems and drivers to the same high standards you are placing on Reiser4 ? If so then we need to strip the distribution tree now. I am not looking to defend Hans - he is likely to be in jail and no longer a factor for a long time. Nor am I looking to make or support claims for Reiser4. But I am asking - why we can not get past the bad blood, rhetoric, and zealotry -which to my eyes has not been all one sided. I am NOT looking for a technical explanation of all the relative merits and demerits of Reiser4. I do not care for arguments about whether it compresses 0's well, or that tail combining is a bad thing. They may have merit, but there is not a filesystem that is going to be all things to all people. Whether Reiser4 is a small niche filesystem or a significant general use one, is a decision that should be reached by its performance in practice, not it rhetoric. Regardless, even as a niche filesystem, I beleive at this point it merits inclusion. -- Dave Lynch DLA Systems Software Development: Embedded Linux 717.627.3770 dhlii@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.dlasys.net fax: 1.253.369.9244 Cell: 1.717.587.7774 Over 25 years' experience in platforms, languages, and technologies too numerous to list. "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html