wow, how many questions in just one mail, hahaha. i'll try to answer everything as well as i can. En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jordi Molse wrote: > > >> However, i haven't been able to get diseqc working and i don't think i >> will.... >> > > It is too early to give up now!!1! At least, I shall not > give up until the sun melts away enough of the snow, so that > I can go out and get more beer, though the melted snow > will probably freeze into slick ice, and I'll probably > end up hurting more than last time, this time with broken > glass embedded into my body... A direct infusion of that > evil alcohol into by bloodstream without the middleman of > passing the lips, gums, tongue, nose -- heck, why bother > searching to find excellent-tasting beer when I won't notice > and appreciate the difference anyway... > > hahaha, and they say I'M crazy. > >> i used to have this card running in a dual boot with windows xp, where >> everything worked like a charm, and another one where i kept installing linux >> distros without any luck until "kubuntu hardy" came out. At that point, as the >> card with diseqc worked "out of the box", i decided to erase all data and move >> > > One card, worked in two boxes; the first box a 'doze box, > the second box Kubuntu Hardy... (unsupported before then) > > > i just realised it couldn't be worse explained... hahaha. The thing is... i used to have one computer with the lifeview card. In this computer i had dual boot. In the first partition always windows, where the card would work through diseqc. On the second partition i would keep installing different linux distros until i found that "kubuntu hardy" worked. After that i erased all data and installed only kubuntu hardy on my computer. >> then i upgraded the system and also moved the tower from its place to next to >> the tv (to be a medicenter computer :) ). Then i couldn't view the channels >> anymore. I tried to retune with no luck... I check all the cables, just in >> case one of them was in bad shape. I even replaced the T connectors, just in >> > > System `upgraded' and stopped DiSEqC working; but also, > system moved. No success since then. > > Question: > > When you moved the system, did you have to add new cable? > If so, how long was the length of cable from your machine > to the DiSEqC switch before you moved it, and how long is > this cable now, or is it the same length and same cable? > > Other question, what do you mean by a `T connector'? > For satellite, I am familiar with the `F' connector, and > I am also familiar with other types of `T' connector, > but they should have no place in a satellite system... > > > > So... after installing everything and getting it to work properly through diseqc, i upgraded the whole system to the latest packages and also moved the tower from my room to the another room. I didn't try to view any channel after upgrading and before moving the computer, and that's why i didn't know if the upgrade had broken the system or i had broken the card by moving the tower from room to room... or may be had i used bad cables in the new place? Then i turned on the tv and realised it was not working anymore. Then i went crazy and tried every possible thing until i came here to post for the first time. >> so... is it possible that somehow i've broken the card someone? the truth is >> > > Not too likely -- DiSEqC switching is basically the same > as a modulated version of the 22kHz tone which is used to > switch between low (below 11700) and high (above 11700) > frequencies by the LNB. > > However, I have had experience with several different > 2/1 and 4/1 DiSEqC switches at the end of long cable > runs, which could not be properly switched by some DVB-S > cards, but could -- or could not be switched by a consumer > satellite receiver, but which worked flawlessly when located > a few metres from the receiver, instead of nearly 100m away. > The cable length attenuated or otherwise corrupted the > DiSEqC bursts from some devices so that they failed to work. > > > I don't think distance is the problem, as now there are less meters from the dishes to my box. Actually, it's the same 2 cables than before. I used to have 2 long cables which went from the dishes to a room (going through the room the computer is now). It used to be like 8-9 meters long. Right now, the box is in this other room, closer to the dishes. I'm still using the same cables, but shorter, i cut 2-3 meters from each one as i don't need those meters anymore. Obviuosly, i had to set the "F connectors again" (not T connectors, hehe) and... did i do it the right way? I don't know. I would think so... but that's why i asked you if there's a chance i've broken the card but mounting the F connectors the wrong way and causing the receiver to malfunction. >> that what used to work in windows... doesn't work anymore... this evening i >> went back to windows just to check if the card, the diseqc and everything was >> fine... and i had so many problems to get the satellite working as before. i >> used to use progdvb, which supported diseqc for my card and now it just can't >> tune through diseqc, none of the two satellites. other software does know how >> to get through diseqc, but only switch 1. >> > > So, the same setup, apart from being moved, now no longer > works the same as it used to work with 'doze, and 'doze > either no longer works at all, or fails to switch DiSEqC? > > Note that a typical DiSEqC switch will simply pass along > its 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 or 1/whatever input, when it does > not receive the switching signal to select 2/2 or whatever. > > > > Again, that was made me thing that i had broken something in my card or my diseqc switch, as i can tune from both separately but not together through diseqc. It doesn't make much sense to me that the card is half-broken.... i mean... i can tune any satellite but not through diseqc.... but i asked because i'm no a hardware expert at all. >> i've checked cables and i don't think it's an issue from the diseq thing, >> cause i've got two and both give the same problem. >> > > Two? Two what -- DiSEqC switches, two cables to switches? > > Do you have a normal consumer satellite receiver, as well > as your different computer boxes? > two diseqc switch to play with. lifeview is not working with any of them. i've got an engel tdt 5300 receiver, but diseqc never worked there. I bought it when i had only one dish. When then i set the second one, i also fought to get diseqc working and i ended up trying the lifeview in my computer, which worked in windows. I though that it might be a problem with engel's tunner, so i just let it go. i haven't tried now to make it work in the engel receiver... but if back then didn't use to work.... > > I'm going to guess based on where I think you are located, > that you have something like the following -- please correct > me where I ass-u-me wrong, and add any additional info that > is missing from this... > > Dish+LNB pointed at 28E, large enough to receive BBC/ITV/etc > Dish+LNB pointed at 19E (or offset mounted on 28E dish) > DiSEqC switch(es) located near dishes -- or near your tuner > so you can connect directly from each LNB as a test? > Single cable run from switch to computer, or two cable runs > from two switches? > > LNB19E-- > \ long cable run > 2/1 DiSEqC----------------------------Computer > / > LNB28E-- > i've got 2 80cm satellite dishes, one for Astra 28.2E and the other one for Astra 19.2E. Then, from each dish i've got like 2-3 meters cable to where the computer is. Then, next to the computer "the two become one", hehe, through the diseqc switch. From diseqc i've got a cable, like 30cm long to the computer The diseqc switch is 2.0, like this one: http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/DiSEqC/DS21-DISEQC-SWITCH.jpg > You also mention DVB-T/radio from this card; if you could > mention how that affects the above, if at all (it should > not, but I never know for sure) > I don't think it affects in any way. The card has 3 different chips, or so i think: one for radio, one for digital tv (terrestrial) and one for satellite tv. In windows you install 3 different drivers. Actually, windows see the card as 3 different cards, and you can "tune" the three chips at the same time. for example, you can view satellite while recording digital tv, which is great :) In Linux this doesn't happen. Linux sees the card "as one", and you have to keep doing modprobe saa7134 use_frontend=0... =1..=2 to get one chip or another to work. Although it would be great to have all of them working at the same time.. it's not a problem for me, as i actually never used this feature in windows. > Also, if you have any spares (a pile of DiSEqC switches, > other DVB-S capable cards, etc), it would be handy for me > to know -- in the case of my 4/1 switches located more > than 50m from my tuners, it was partially a case of > swapping in other switches from my pile of them until > finding a working combination, or running an additional > several hundred metres of cable to permit me to switch > the four positions close to the tuners... > > > i don't think there's any other helpful information to provide. > thanks, > barry bouwsma > not an expert, by any means > > _______________________________________________ > linux-dvb mailing list > linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb > thanks. _______________________________________________ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
