On 14/10/14 at 09:38pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2014-10-14 at 21:01 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > On 14/10/14 at 04:57pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 07:11 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > > > On 06/10/14 at 01:47am, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 12:40:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 09:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@xxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your ears are probably the best tool. Some hear well, and some > > > > > > > do not. > > > > > > > I am amazed at the number of people who cannot tell if mp3 has > > > > > > > ever been > > > > > > > in the mix. To me its obvious, when your ears get tired of it, > > > > > > > and want to > > > > > > > "change the station" in just a minute or so, its been an mp3 > > > > > > > at some > > > > > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is established without any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming > > > > > > > majority of the population CANNOT tell the difference between a > > > > > > > reasonable bit-rate encoding in mp3 format and the original PCM data. > > > > > > > This isn't up for debate. > > > > > > > > > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense Paul! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because several people can't distinguish cheese made of raw milk > > > > > > with cheese made from heated milk, doesn't mean that the tests are ok. > > > > > > I'm unable to stand heated milk, I'm unable to stand cheese made from > > > > > > heated mild and I'm unable to stand MP3. Yes, there are double-blind > > > > > > tests that confirm that people guess the real taste of a strawberry is > > > > > > the artificial taste and that the natural taste is artificial. IOW if > > > > > > you make double-blind tests with degenerated idiots, the results will be > > > > > > idiotic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post links about MP3 double-blind test done with human beings who > > > > > > still remember how a real strawberry or banana yogurt does taste, who > > > > > > know how a real Camembert made from raw milk does taste. > > > > > > > > > > > > What group of people was unable to distinguish between a good recording > > > > > > and a MP3? > > > > > > > > > > Spot on Ralf! You've said it way better than I ever could. > > > > > Once you've actually *heard* good sound, an MP3 coming from a computer > > > > > just doesn't cut it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie spot on your cognitive dissonance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance ) > > > > > > > > BTW, what if you all claiming this ridicoulus thing about being able to > > > > distinguish beetween 256-320kbps (mp3) or 500kbps (ogg) meet each other at next > > > > LAU and have a public test? I would really enjoy this double blind test with no > > > > "degenerated idiots" around. > > > > > > You completely missed the point, I hope you will be able to understand > > > the neon light example. You need to make real life tests and care about > > > the sensitivities. What happens if you listen 16 hours with just a few > > > short rests to an analog tape and what happens if you do this listening > > > to MP3? > > > > congnitive dissonance: ie you CANNOT tell the difference so you CLAIM it's > > a biased test because of "listening fatigue"... but it takes less than 10 minutes > > for a 30 trial run unless you want to demonstrate Bernoulli's theorem without > > n-> ∞ > > I never heard a good MP3, at best they sound like a CD, always well > audible less good than a DAT master of a good analog production, but I > never cared about the used software or kbps, when I got MP3s. But it > doesn't matter, there are two fronts. If people want to listen to MP3, > if they want to listen to loudness remasters, if they want to eat > artificial flavours, want to draw paintings under light with missing > colours, colour spikes or flickering light, people should do. It's just > scary that sometimes fruits and vegetables nowadays didn't grow in > earth, are creepy breedings that indeed sometimes taste less good, than > artificial flavours. I'm not against modern life, a lot of things became > better, but a lot of things became less good. Btw. even if MP3s should > be as good as the original analog or lossless DAT master, for what > should it be good to convert to MP3? For livestreams, television ok, but > there's no need for anything else. Oops, ok for those who consume music > wherever they are and who need 1000 of recordings where ever they are. > Btw. when the CD was introduced and people claimed that it is not > possible to gouge holes into a CD without causing loss or making it > completely unable to play the CD, there were also claims similar to the > one you're making ;). For me this thread is finished. > > Regards, > Ralf bla bla bla, but point is: you CANNOT distinguish lossy with higher bitrates from lossless formats. You always end up such threads in a bunch of bullshits which doesn't ever make the whole sense of the subject. Meet us in LAC and do this ABX test in a session and prove youself or you'd better of go playing with vegetables and light bulbs. -- « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
