On 14/10/14 at 04:57pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 07:11 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > On 06/10/14 at 01:47am, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 12:40:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 09:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@xxxxxxxx> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Your ears are probably the best tool. Some hear well, and some > > > > > do not. > > > > > I am amazed at the number of people who cannot tell if mp3 has > > > > > ever been > > > > > in the mix. To me its obvious, when your ears get tired of it, > > > > > and want to > > > > > "change the station" in just a minute or so, its been an mp3 > > > > > at some > > > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is established without any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming > > > > > majority of the population CANNOT tell the difference between a > > > > > reasonable bit-rate encoding in mp3 format and the original PCM data. > > > > > This isn't up for debate. > > > > > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense Paul! > > > > > > > > Just because several people can't distinguish cheese made of raw milk > > > > with cheese made from heated milk, doesn't mean that the tests are ok. > > > > I'm unable to stand heated milk, I'm unable to stand cheese made from > > > > heated mild and I'm unable to stand MP3. Yes, there are double-blind > > > > tests that confirm that people guess the real taste of a strawberry is > > > > the artificial taste and that the natural taste is artificial. IOW if > > > > you make double-blind tests with degenerated idiots, the results will be > > > > idiotic. > > > > > > > > Please post links about MP3 double-blind test done with human beings who > > > > still remember how a real strawberry or banana yogurt does taste, who > > > > know how a real Camembert made from raw milk does taste. > > > > > > > > What group of people was unable to distinguish between a good recording > > > > and a MP3? > > > > > > Spot on Ralf! You've said it way better than I ever could. > > > Once you've actually *heard* good sound, an MP3 coming from a computer > > > just doesn't cut it. > > > > > > > ie spot on your cognitive dissonance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance ) > > > > BTW, what if you all claiming this ridicoulus thing about being able to > > distinguish beetween 256-320kbps (mp3) or 500kbps (ogg) meet each other at next > > LAU and have a public test? I would really enjoy this double blind test with no > > "degenerated idiots" around. > > You completely missed the point, I hope you will be able to understand > the neon light example. You need to make real life tests and care about > the sensitivities. What happens if you listen 16 hours with just a few > short rests to an analog tape and what happens if you do this listening > to MP3? congnitive dissonance: ie you CANNOT tell the difference so you CLAIM it's a biased test because of "listening fatigue"... but it takes less than 10 minutes for a 30 trial run unless you want to demonstrate Bernoulli's theorem without n-> ∞ -- « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
