On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 02:42, Ryan Gallagher wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 00:55 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 20:14, Ryan Gallagher wrote: > > Linux users are still a minority and linux audio users > > > an even smaller one, downright miniscule. We should try to stay "real" > > > in estimating our tiny presence in this huge industry. > > > > Ok let's get this straight. ;) > > > > (why do we always underestimate ourselves) > > Come on... reality check. The mail lists for > Avid->DigiDesign->Pro-Tools alone dwarf LAU. Can i see the numbers? :) Can't tell really but the activity on rme forums is comparable to LAU. Which would mean that they have 1200 customers. Certainly not, but it's also not 500.000 customers, at least i doubt it. Also, it's digidesign. And 200.000 other companies that sell audio hw. Very tough competition. Compared to linux audio where there's almost no competition. > > The linux-audio market isn't a fly-fart in sulfur mine to these 2nd tier > companies (m-audio et. al.). They're competing for crumbs from the > giant's (digidesign) lap anyway. This is no evidence to me. That they don't realise it is just their fault. And it's our fault that we don't realise it too. > > > Suppose that each city and perhaps a fairly large town in the US and > > Europe has got at least *one* linux audio user. > > > > Likely? I think so :) > > > > How much users would that be? Hundreds? More? > > Hundreds. And the money we (LAU's) spend on audio gear in a year per > company wouldn't pay the salary of the person who pushes "send" on the > "we don't plan support" emails for a month. How many sold units per year do you estimate for a company such as RME or MAudio? It's not fresh bread, the numbers are pretty low, the prices pretty high. http://www.audioscience.com/internet/news/press20000.htm > > > Now let's look at the "tiny" linux audio market. Ask everyone what unit > > he has got. I bet it's going to be 2/3rd RME 1/3 Maudio. > > I'd venture to guess that if EVERY LAU signed a petition to support only > one company in return for drivers/support... it'd mean nothing. I don't think so. > To be > honest, I'm grateful for any "support" official or otherwise we get. > IMO it's a cheritible act for these profit driven (not meant in a > negative way) manufacturers to spend/risk revenue on what is still > largely a hobby OS (speaking of linux desktop/audio here only). I'm only grateful for the support audioscience is giving and any other such support. > Bottom line, these companies are not stupid. They know where the money > is, and it ain't on LAU. If it were, they'd be here too. As said. No evidence. They would have to show me a linux audio market survey. Which i bet they don't have at all. They don't even know the current state of linux audio. They don't give a flying f*. Marek
