On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 01:51:09 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote: >Le Sun, 3 Jun 2018 02:17:04 +0200, >Fons Adriaensen <fons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit : > >> What I *do* find disturbing re. the way Linux seems >> to be going is all those 'kits' and other stuff meant >> to replace existing system functionality. Who needs >> rtkit if we have limits.conf, or policykit if we have >> sudo ? > >I fully agree. I am very happy with gentoo because I can choose how I >want my system to be managed and I just don't have those *kit stuffs. > >The *webkit* are very interesting. Webkit is not part of that "family" mentioned by Fons. >It begun with qtwebkit which take more time to compile on my gentoo >than a monster like libreoffice. lol After that, we have now kdewebkit >and webkit-gtk which also take an eternity to compile. I just removed >all the software depending on them. I can understand they are easy to >use for a developer, but on a system like gentoo that compile >everything during the installation, I just don't want them because >they just take too long time to compile. > >Also on the long run, I don't think it is a good move for a developer >to use them because it will have a lot of maintenance to do. qtwebkit >is marked deprecated, and I think it is just a question of time before >the other webkits become deprecated. Half-truth I won't comment, since this "kit" is something completely different to policykit and co. IOW it's off-topic. >> And the worst of all is systemd. It was a nice idea >... >> It has become near impossible to find out what >> your system is actually up to. >> >> A few weeks ago I installed Devuan (Debian fork >> wihout systemd) on two laptops. A very refreshing >> experience. Some orders of magnitude simpler. As >> a user you don't notice any difference and it >> start up faster than systemd. And for me, as admin >> of those systems, things have become a lot more >> transparent. > >When it became possible to easily install it on gentoo, I took a >fast look on systemd's bugzilla. The list of bugs was so huge that I >never installed it on my system. It work fine with openrc from day 1, >and I don't want to take the risk to break a so central part of the >system. > >How I see it is than several leading commercial linux distributions >like redhat have huge corporations as paid customers, and these corps >need these kits stuffs and systemd, or at least they was convinced they >need it... But into a dedicated or home computer, they are just "usines >à gaz" (gas plant - these manufactures full with pipes everywhere and >going in all possible directions at the same time) and a complete pain >in the ass to manage as a result. There is a difference between being really hit by systemd pitfalls and baseless bikeshedding. Major distros decided to migrate to systemd for valid reasons, it's not a conspiracy done by mentally handicapped and/or evil distro maintainers. Don't get me wrong, users could have good reasons to be against systemd and/or against policykit and similar things. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
