"I suspect 'learn to code' has something to do with a previous statement
about C++ being like C. Using C++ in 3 days."
Haha! By saying that it is "like C" I did not mean that it is exactly like C++. I know that C++ is a very different language and I know the C++ object oriented approach. It exists in PHP as well.about C++ being like C. Using C++ in 3 days."
"That specialized knowledge is not a function of the language. A
carpenter can be Chinese, one can program compression bits in
assembler, one can write middleware in Erlang."
This is a good and valid point, but "knowing programming language" is always an application of it to some field. I believe that this is relevant to our discussion, where I am talking about the fact that *just* seeing code is simply not enough.
" Again, 'learning to code' is kinda suspicious."
" Again, 'learning to code' is kinda suspicious."
I don't understand what you mean here.
"The original question was:"
"The original question was:"
I am not discussing the original question. The discussion did branch out a bit.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:59 PM, jonetsu <jonetsu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:29:31 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> To unwrap that, if I am writing a game and I need to know how to
> write a _javascript_ random number generator, I don't need to scan
> complete code of someone else's program. I need only one part - the
> random number generator algorithm.
If you only need to buy carrots, why would you spend 30 minutes waling
up and down all aisles in a supermarket ?
Hopefully you will get a RNG from a library instead, isn't that the
case.
> In other words, I am not arguing that looking at someone's code is
> unnecessary, I am arguing that having complete code of a program is
> usually not required to learn to code.
I suspect 'learn to code' has something to do with a previous statement
about C++ being like C. Using C++ in 3 days.
> It is good sometimes, perhaps
> it is very useful, but this is not necessary. Many people learn to
> program without being exposed to a complete open source project.
Open Source provides free source code to everyone. The movement was
pushed by many professionals. This is not Windows freeware.
> Another important point is that when you are working in a company,
> other people's code is not the only thing that teaches you. Often,
> there are also people in the company who will actually walk you
> though the code. Just having the code available is not necessarily
> helpful.
Why is this downgraded to a comparison between corporate settings and
Open Source ?
The original question was:
"Why do you feel open source is important, and what for you is the most
important aspect of Linux audio?"
> How can my argument be defeated? With evidence. It would be
> interesting to see stats on major contributions to learning to code.
> If this data contradicts my argument - I would definitely follow the
> evidence.
Again, 'learning to code' is kinda suspicious.
> But using "background knowledge" about the world, it seems to me that
> most people know little about open source and are unlikely to learn
> by opening a program they like and start reading through the code.
Then these future developers, designers of software, are missing
something. Outsourcing in sight ?
> And, finally, people rarely "know a programming language". You still
> know only parts of it and only certain applications. Even if you know
> a lot about C++,
You mean about object orientation ?
> it is applied differently to graphics, it is applied
> differently to GUI, differently to sound, differently to text,
> compression, databases, etc. Each application requires specialized
> knowledge.
That specialized knowledge is not a function of the language. A
carpenter can be Chinese, one can program compression bits in
assembler, one can write middleware in Erlang.
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