Re: [RFC v3 01/26] asm-generic: atomic64: allow using generic atomic64 on 64bit platforms

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 02:24:38PM +0200, Octavian Purdila wrote:
> > I was not aware that not allowing GENERIC_ATOMIC64 was intentional. I
>
> It might not have been, but presented with this patch, I feel like it
> should've been :-)
>
> > understand your point that a 64 bit architecture that can't handle 64
> > bit atomic operation is broken.
>
> (sadly they actually exist, I shall name no names)
>
> > One way to deal with this in LKL would be to use GCC atomic builtins
> > or if that doesn't work expose them as host operations. This would
> > keep LKL as a meta-arch that can run on multiple physical
> > architectures. I'll give it a try.
>
> What is this LKL you speak of and how does it do the 32bit atomics?
>

LKL is a build of the Linux kernel as a library that can run in many
environments including multiple architectures and OSes [1]

For 32bit atomics LKL also uses the asm-generic implementation. It is
very similar with generic 64bit atomic implementation and it is used
by multiple 32bit arches. I think this was my original reasoning for
this patch and not going with C11 atomics.

> One thing to keep in mind is that the C11 atomics (_Atomic) don't
> trivially map to the LKMM -- although I keep forgetting the exact
> details, there is a paper on it somewhere.  Also, once you're limited to
> a specific arch the issue also becomes much easier than C11 vs LKMM in
> general.

Thanks, I will look it up.

[1] https://github.com/lkl/linux



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