On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 09:56:58PM +0200, Danilo Krummrich wrote: > Currently - and please correct me if I'm wrong - you make it sound to me as if > you're not willing to respect the decisions that have been taken by Nouveau and > DRM maintainers. I've never said anything about your work, go do Nova, have fun. I'm just not agreeing to being forced into taking Rust dependencies in VFIO because Nova is participating in the Rust Experiment. I think the reasonable answer is to accept some code duplication, or try to consolidate around a small C core. I understad this is different than you may have planned so far for Nova, but all projects are subject to community feedback, especially when faced with new requirements. I think this discussion is getting a little overheated, there is lots of space here for everyone to do their things. Let's not get too excited. > I encourage that NVIDIA wants to move things upstream and I'm absolutely willing > to collaborate and help with the use-cases and goals NVIDIA has. But it really > has to be a collaboration and this starts with acknowledging the goals of *each > other*. I've always acknowledged Nova's goal - it is fine. It is just quite incompatible with the VFIO side requirement of no Rust in our stack until the ecosystem can consume it. I belive there is no reason we can't find an agreeable compromise. > > I expect the core code would continue to support new HW going forward > > to support the VFIO driver, even if nouveau doesn't use it, until Rust > > reaches some full ecosystem readyness for the server space. > > From an upstream perspective the kernel doesn't need to consider OOT drivers, > i.e. the guest driver. ?? VFIO already took the decision that it is agnostic to what is running in the VM. Run Windows-only VMs for all we care, it is still supposed to be virtualized correctly. > > There are going to be a lot of users of this code, let's not rush to > > harm them please. > > Please abstain from such kind of unconstructive insinuations; it's ridiculous to > imply that upstream kernel developers and maintainers would harm the users of > NVIDIA GPUs. You literally just said you'd want to effectively block usable VFIO support for new GPU HW when "we stop further support for new HW in Nouveau at some point" and "move the vGPU parts over to Nova(& rust)". I don't agree to that, it harms VFIO users, and is not acknowledging that conflicting goals exist. VFIO will decide when it starts to depend on rust, Nova should not force that decision on VFIO. They are very different ecosystems with different needs. Jason
