Dave Close posted on Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:32:19 -0800 as excerpted: > So, obviously, something is different in FC39. I'll spend some time > checking but it is no longer urgent for me. All of the other machines I > have that now run FC39 and can successfully start Wayland have AMD > Radeon graphics while this one uses an Intel 82Q35 (i915 firmware). So > it certainly looks as though the i915 firmware is the problem. I'll be > watching for updates. That's interesting. While our systems are different enough that direct comparison isn't necessarily useful (fedora vs gentoo, I'm running live- git kde from the gentoo/kde overlay and have no polkit, my kernel is pure Linus git upstream), I'm all radeon here and have seen nothing like you mention for quite some time. So it's quite interesting that your radeons got through the upgrade fine while the intel graphics didn't. Based on that I strongly second RJVB's suggestion to focus on testing the fc38/39 intel graphics differences. But let me add mesa and libdrm to the kernel and kernel and/or module command-line he mentioned. Both of them have graphics-driver components and intel regularly contributes a good portion of the libdrm changes in particular, so comparing versions and fedora-specific patches between releases there could be worthwhile. But kernels are designed to be interchangeable and upgradable (within reason) without affecting userspace, while mesa/libdrm are more likely to have version dependencies complicating things (tho FWIW, here on gentoo neither package is subslotted, indicating version-deps aren't particular enough to normally require any rebuilds on up/downgrade, so I'd not anticipate /major/ problems trying to test older/newer versions of either package). So a kernel-first testing focus still makes sense. Sure, quick-check the version number differences just to see how different they are, but beyond that, I'd not worry about them unless/until the kernel difference investigation turns up nothing. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman