I don’t think we need to do such analysis … we don’t work like that at IETF. We must just draft a plan for our “requirements for IETF tools”, write it down in an ID, may be update the previous one, maybe a different (new) one, and see if we can reach consensus. I’m happy to work on that, and I’m sure others as well! So folks How can this advance within IETF ? Is it Management responsability to ensure all tools have this requirement by default, and that any exceptions to be fairly justified. How can a proper analisys be done in order to replace tools like GitHub and WebEx until they support IPv6 ? Who's responsability is to make it happen and be accountable for ? +1
Exactly, is not for "right now", but we should make sure to work on that.
Even if we plan for not removing the A RRs or to do so in several years, anticipation is needed.
Regards,
Jordi
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El 22/4/20 14:28, "ietf en nombre de Keith Moore" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx en nombre de moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
On 4/22/20 7:58 AM, otroan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> We are 20+ years in.
> If we (as the collective we) believed in this transition shouldn't the next step be to remove the A records from {mail,datatracker,www}.ietf.org? And add a piece of _javascript_ blocking any client coming through a translator from v4.
Our recommended transition strategy was dual-stack. Removing IPv4
support is premature until IPv6 is ubiquitous. Nobody is proposing
that github be made IPv6-only.
> I would expect ridicule from such a proposal.
> Our tools including our collboration tools are centralized, they don't benefit much from IPv6 and end to end transparency either.
No but it's entirely possible that there are, or soon will be, IETF
participants who cannot access github because of the lack of IPv6
support. As IPv6 becomes more available and IPv4 space more and more
scarce we should expect that some existing access networks will
discontinue IPv4 support. Who wants to maintain equipment and routes
that aren't used anymore? When public IPv4 network access disappears,
it will happen gradually at first, and then everywhere suddenly.
I don't think the github situation is an emergency yet, but I agree that
we need to make sure that all of the tools that we use and expect
participants to use are accessible via IPv6. Maybe not this week, but
probably this year.
Keith
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