Le 15/03/2020 à 18:40, Alexandre
Petrescu a écrit :
Le 15/03/2020 à 13:24, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
According to a documentary displayed yesterday in the TV, it looks like there are (up to now) 2 models to combat the propagation of the virus:
1) Chinese model, which is the same adopted in Italy and now Spain, quarantining everyone via an "alarm state" law. You can go to work only if needed, do shopping for food, but not go out of home for visiting friends, sports or fun. Only food shops can remain open, and a few other exceptions (pharmacies, banks).
2) The S. Korean model, which is testing lots of people and quarantine only for those that don't pass the test.
yes talk here also talks about differnet models.
Among the ones in alarm state, one should count Romania as well, although not sure they can really do it. The official orders are almost total closure, but implementation is not sure.
Among those in 'gradual' state - appropriate response to an an evolving situation, is also France - publicly declared so - a gradual evolution.
There are also those who leave almost all open: UK, if I understand well.
Codogno (Italy) earlier blocking seems to work: two weeks later no new cases, apparently.
To understand the different degrees of closure one can read the official orders issued yesterday, today ('decret', 'order', etc).
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The medical theory is the following: if each of us (100% of our species) stays away from each other, then in 2 weeks time all viruses with crown are at hospital.
But the wave is of 3month and a half long. The difference between 2 weeks, and 3 months and a half, represents our difficulty to understand it, and it costs us our dearest.
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The China new cases goes up instead of down, but it is still low. Chinese declare the event ended, officially.
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The excellent news is the following: social distancing means to stay away (more than 1m) from each other. YOu can do that by staying at home instead of going to work. But you can do that also by travelling (provided youre sole in the bus, or so). One can also share the beautiful view of a sunset outdoors, with a few persons with whom to share destiny, but no more.
Another excellent news: one is not forced to isolate all air intake in one's appartment, or not breathe while outdoors. Just to stay away from unknown people.
It's not like in other kinds of events which are worse, where you have to isolate, stay inside, 'calfeutrer' (fr.), 'caulk'?(english).
There is a new word: 'social distancing'. It is 'distanciation sociale' in French, since yesterday. (distantiation, distanciation, distanceation, not sure).
Alex
Funnily I saw this Tab why browsing a UK site about the virus:
There is a crown, but something is not right.
https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/coronavirus-covid-19-uk-government-response
Alex
It looks like the S. Korean model is working, so either there are different tests, which are not reading the same, or something else.
Maybe someone from S. Korea can tell?
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 15/3/20 11:06, "ietf en nombre de Rich Kulawiec" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx en nombre de rsk@xxxxxxx> escribió:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:07:12AM -0500, Mary B wrote:
> Just one comment on your item #1 in your proposal. Your body does not
> immediately develop the antibodies upon exposure, so you can be a carrier
> well before you'll test positive. You'd also selfishly be adding to the
> burden on the system for testing.
This is absolutely correct. Hospitals here are trying to clear
out as many non-critical cases as possible, to postpone any
surgical procedures that they can, to stockpile supplies, to give
staff as much rest as they can, etc. They are expecting the worst
and anything that we can all do to decrease the need for care
across the entire population will help.
---rsk
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