Hi Mary,
That’s why I said being tested again if I travel, meet people, etc.
Right now, working from home, but next Sunday I will be traveling to
work for a customer for a week.
So yes, several test may be needed and I’m happy to pay for those.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 11/3/20 16:07, "Mary B" <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx>> escribió:
Just one comment on your item #1 in your proposal. Your body does not
immediately develop the antibodies upon exposure, so you can be a
carrier well before you'll test positive. You'd also selfishly be adding
to the burden on the system for testing.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:26 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi.palet=40consulintel.es@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:40consulintel.es@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
The only way to know the real situation in Italy is to get a
confirmation from someone there, if we don't trust the news.
I just watched TV news while having lunch and they confirmed the
same I told before. You can move if you sign a certificate "on the
spot" that your movement is for something needed and not "for fun"
or for "relocate to other region in the country while this happens".
Some countries, including Spain, cancelled all *direct* flights to
Italy, but airports in Italy still work, so you could make an
*indirect* flight.
I've been asked to fill a form as part of the immigration process
the last couple of weeks while traveling for work to a north African
country. I think that's fair and reasonable.
My motto is very simple, I need to fulfill my professional
commitments, and I always do that even up-front my own personal
things/needs.
My customers will not care if my country decide to put me in
quarantine in an indiscriminate way. If I don't fulfill my
commitment, I will lose the contracts, the customers, will not be
paid for what I'd already done, and probably, will need to pay some
compensation, that easily can bring me to bankruptcy.
I don't care if the government "promises" to compensate for this, is
not right you never get all that compensated, and further, it is
paid by all us. If some people from the government or any specific
institution take such indiscriminate decision, they must cover the
cost, not all the citizens.
If I've a health problem, which still allows me to exercise my
freedom to decide to keep working IF and only IF I'm not creating
troubles to others, is my freedom and it is my personal decision
despite any consequences that only affect myself. And I've been
already in that situation a couple of times and I survived. If I
don't survive, but luck, (I will not know it anymore), and meanwhile
I did what it was my obligation to do and I was happy.
I don't think the Italian government can take an action such as
blocking indiscriminately the movements of all the citizens and
residents. I think democratic countries, in general, have a
Constitution that protects citizens against indiscriminate
restrictions of freedom of movement.
In the case of Spain, I believe that it will be unconstitutional
(unless martial law is declared), and if this happens, I will fight
against that. I've already fought in courts several times against
Spanish government or public institutions, even in the
Constitutional court, with some degree of success, some cases still
open, some laws changed with my personal fight and unfortunately
also some cases lost (but you also learnt from that).
I'm not the kind of person that "bla bla bla" and then don't act. If
there is a problem, whatever is it, take actions. We say in Spain
(literal translation) "barking dog, little biter".
So, in this situation if the Spanish government take such decision
of restricting my freedom in an indiscriminate way, this is my plan
(which I've sent to my lawyer this morning to make sure that it is
right, but I think so):
1) Get tested for Covid19 (even repeat it every week or after every
trip if needed)
2) Voluntarily avoid moving for "fun"
3) Keep my normal professional activities, including attending
customers, traveling or whatever is committed of course IF my test
was "free of Covid19"
4) If I'm free of Covid19, I will clearly disobey the
government-imposed restriction of movement in order to fulfil my
commitments
5) If I'm arrested, which is a possibility, ask for an "habeas
corpus", to be presented immediately to a judge, show him my
"Covid19 test", to make sure that I'm released.
6) Immediately sue the government for an illegal restriction of
movement and arrest.
No matter how much is the cost or consequences, fight against
irrational and indiscriminate freedom restrictions. Again: IF and
only IF, you're free from the Covid19, so never being able to affect
others.
I encourage everyone to do the same, to make sure that their rights
aren't restricted. Nobody can restrict freedom in democratic
countries in an indiscriminate way. Otherwise, what is the next
reason governments will do it again?
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 11/3/20 11:27, "ietf en nombre de Alexandre Petrescu"
<ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en nombre de
alexandre.petrescu@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@xxxxxxxxx>>
escribió:
Le 10/03/2020 à 22:24, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
> The information that I've understood from the TV news and online
> newspapers is that Italy is not "closed".
>
> If you sign a document showing that you're moving around for
work,
> they you are allowed to move. For fun not.
>
> Don't take my above sentence literally. Is my personal
summary of how
> they "close" the country. In fact it has been said that
restricting
> movement of people is against constitution unless the martial
law is
> declared, because the government could only impose that if
doing an
> analysis you have the virus, which for me, makes a lot of sense
> then.
Jordi, I think since you posted that particular situation of Italy
closure might have changed for the worst.
I can tell that France said initially that all routes waterways
and
airways open to Italy. It then changed to some of them being
closed
(notably the airways).
I can tell that in Romania it is said all ways closed to Italy.
I can tell that other countries made similar statements in
recent days,
towards closure.
I can also tell I understand the reasoning behind you mention
when you
say allowing only business travellers (no tourist). It might
be the
case. But in the end, I do not see why business travellers
would be a
different kind of humans, medically speaking.
Alex
>
> Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 10/3/20 21:36, "ietf en nombre de Rich Kulawiec"
> <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en
nombre de rsk@xxxxxxx <mailto:rsk@xxxxxxx>> escribió:
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 08:29:56PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
> wrote:
>> I really think it is a criminal wrong decision. We are just
helping
>> to spread the fear.
>
> No, it's a realistic decision. A vaccine is likely a
year-ish away
> barring a serendipitous breakthrough. Italy shut down the entire
> country effective this morning. US Universities and colleges are
> sending their students home. And so on -- because the only
viable
> method available for slowing the spread is social distancing.
> COVID-19 will still propagate, but it will propagate more slowly,
> flattening the demand curve for medical resources, including
> personnel, hospital rooms, ICU space, etc. (And those of us
in the US
> had better hope that works because the current infection rate
> projections look ominous circa March 20 and the testing rate is
> orders of magnitude below where it needs to be..)
>
> Everything done before a pandemic looks like too much, everything
> done after it hits looks like too little.
>
> ---rsk
>
>
>
>
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