Re: Free (as in beer) webex

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Thanks for the explanation.

I don't really want to speak out for or against zoom, as i don't really care
that much. I was more interested in having a bit of fun in a nerd
conversation about appropriate use of terminology here, but the list is
a bit too large to continue that branch of the thread. Hope we can continue
in person @IETF107, CoVid-19 permitting.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 11:09:25AM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2020-03-04, at 09:06, Toerless Eckert <tte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > not evil
> 
> Totally evil.  Corporate suicide level evil.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin level.
> 
> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/07/zoom_vulnerabil.html
> 
> The problem was not that they had a backdoor (which is seriously bad already, but don???t we all have vulns).
> The problem was that they pretended to have fixed it and then kept a hidden backdoor that allowed them to re-install their software surreptitiously while the computer owner thought they had uninstalled it.
> We had to wait for Apple to release an OS fix that silently removed the zoom bridgehead.
> 
> You don???t do that and ever expect to be accepted back into the community.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten




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