andrew and jay if i was looking at this from 10,000m, which i partially am, jay being anywhere near the pir decision making is a clear conflict of inbterest. that y'all don't see this says a lot about how the ietf/isoc culture sees conflict of interest; which was my point, not to pick on jay. i believe my friend who was asking will be in touch directly. but we suspect you will still be shoveling kitty litter over it qs fast as possible. qed randy
