On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:42 AM Barry Leiba <barryleiba@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Perhaps some of you have seen that Ted Hardie posted an open letter on > the Hong Kong high court’s injunction on Internet speech: > https://medium.com/@ted.ietf/an-open-letter-on-the-hong-kong-high-court-injunction-on-internet-speech-7f0048df2f54 > The letter is signed by Ted and is co-signed by three other IAB > members, each signing as an individual: the letter is not from the IAB > and doesn’t claim to be. > > Nevertheless, note that all signatories identify themselves as > “Member, Internet Architecture Board”, and three of the four do not > list their company affiliations. This has two effects: > > 1. By being signed by four IAB members who are identified primarily as > IAB members, the letter *appears* to be from the IAB. I have passed > this by three non-IETF friends, asking them who they think the letter > is from, and all three said, “The Internet Architecture Board.” > > 2. By using “Member, Internet Architecture Board” this way, those > signing the letter are effectively (whether by intent or not) using > their IAB positions to gain credibility for their personal opinions. > > I think this is wildly inappropriate. I think those of us in IETF > leadership should be scrupulously careful NOT to call out our IETF > affiliations this way unless we are speaking for the organization. Barry, I want to make sure I understand your position: If a member of the IAB signs such a letter, what (in your opinion) would be an appropriate way to note who they are? Would it be appropriate to say "John Doe, member IAB, speaking in an individual capacity"? Should they refrain from mentioning any connection to the IAB? Sam > The fact that the letter refers to things that have been published > with IAB consensus doesn’t change the fact that the *letter* does not > have IAB consensus, and we must be careful not to give the impression > that it does. > > I’ve discussed this with Ted, who thinks that there’s nothing wrong > with how the letter was signed and posted. That disturbs me. I tried > to let it go, but I’m sufficiently bothered by it that I felt the need > to take it to the community. This is that. Ted tells me that all IAB > members were invited to co-sign the letter, and that none brought up a > concern about the use of the “Member, IAB” affiliation. > > As you think about this and — I hope — discuss it, please keep this in mind: > > - I’m NOT talking about the content of the message and whether I do or > don’t agree with it. That’s not the point. I hope that as we discuss > this we do NOT go into the content, the politics, and so on. Let’s > please keep this highly charged issue out of IETF discussions. > > - I’m NOT looking to beat Ted up here; what I want is for this not to > happen again, and I hope the ensuing discussion supports that. > > -- > Barry >
